From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Sep 21 10:48:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96784 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2007 17:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2007 17:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26117 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2007 17:47:31 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Sep 2007 17:47:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYmbA-0002Tj-6F for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:47:28 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYmaZ-0002R6-7p; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:46:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYmZY-0002Qt-7F for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:49 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYmZW-0002Qi-1l for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:47 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so152643ana for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.34.16 with SMTP id h16mr6562193anh.1190396743940; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.51.9 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10709211045j6dc4767fwb56eedb4839e12d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:45:43 +0400 In-Reply-To: <200709211308.19190.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200709211054.08676.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560709210820o1e9d79e4tac5380a02d380b98@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10709210850t355f9c71t1da44828f0465b57@mail.gmail.com> <200709211308.19190.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 222bc71af322373d X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: type-3 fu'ivla and ndj rule X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=lsh5qmoeFFHW7ozljxLWUy1Gh3xTZY9FdT8BijjvJtzbj_36-g X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28310 On 9/21/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > No Lojban word may contain {ndj}, {ndz}, {ntc}, or {nts}, because they are > likely to be misheard as {nj}, {nz}, {nc}, or {ns}. If one of them appears in > a lujvo, a y-hyphen is inserted, e.g. {nanytca}. Yes, I see now. I've forgot this. What is funny: CLL forbids {ndj} in Chapter 3 but suggests {djaNDJonz.} as a valid Lojbanization of "John Jones" in Chapter 4. In fact the rules for consonant triples and longer clusters in CLL seems to be somewhat contradictory. AFAIK BPFK is working toward much simpler (and restrictive) rules, but I am not deep in this matter myself. -- Cyril Slobin `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, http://wagner.pp.ru/~slobin/ `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.