From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 10 11:37:26 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IfgQv-00038B-OZ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:26 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IfgQt-000382-FO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:25 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so227168nfv for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fnHruM6425jiJefvlIKtagjexCPYXgPY16bUMP4qsMs=; b=NY3VPy4AvjzFyQs2KAXN3XvxcpRbb6Xk1d9XbO5F8d0Z9qkjY19EuTWkWvWoeEDFhKsUHNdTcLIFt6/QF9fe2HOuXcEdw7S/hTVtFi58kKsD0fGSUhefTxIFThjqEYLQyUs+NIKRfqSWZQJ+sM1jhIRKjwfUgqzUHRDcFSxbM/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CuovxpQV6fAyIfPIwasy4azovp//R5itL3o36jXst1IRUKuHprl3QV9e/ImB5yX1kej61i3kOkZ7a2IUJWFEmjMbF3iT6WWBPD21aI7KHzOBHiyc47gv6G3IbTe7dVJ2yiKNg1Hk421Phv4LwxI4DeK0MqhUWCIFtip08SQPEoQ= Received: by 10.86.99.9 with SMTP id w9mr756600fgb.1192041440875; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710101137v7813af0bmbe3c08d212cf1bb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:37:20 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Archivist/Founders: Clarification of "fuzme", please. In-Reply-To: <20071010172453.GC13890@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071010172453.GC13890@digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13871 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 10/10/07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Heard on IRC: > > I read {fuzme} as "x1 is tasked with/supposed to bring about x2 > (according to authority x3)" (think baupla fuzykamni), not "x1 > is the one who actually did x2" > > I think that's unlikely, because if it was "tasked with", bilga > would be wholly redundant, but I'd like to hear the official word. > > Whichever it is, I'll be updating the jbovlaste definition > accordingly. I think it can't just be "x1 is the one who actually did x2", because x2 need not be in the past, and besides you can actually do things without being responsible for them, and also you can be responsible for things you did not actually do yourself. One difference with {bilga} is that once you have done what you are obliged to do, your obligation is over, whereas responsibility for something persists once it's done. As a result of this, an obligation cannot be imposed after the fact, whereas responsibility could (even though it may be unfair to do so). An obligation is something you are required to do. A responsibility is something you are required to answer for. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.