From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Nov 26 20:36:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5058 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 04:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 04:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 04:36:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13327 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 04:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Nov 2007 04:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwsBh-0005HI-Iv for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:36:45 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwsBD-0005DD-DR; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:36:19 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iws94-0005Cr-5G for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:34:02 -0800 X-Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iws8z-0005Cc-TR for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:34:01 -0800 X-Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457CCCE6A6 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:33:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:33:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <925d17560711230810s556341cdh6cad83b5c2d1dd0b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560711230810s556341cdh6cad83b5c2d1dd0b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711262333.50038.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13966 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] Re: The phonotactics of cmevla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=7JNgvBx06LbOmOvIx27H_ggHkv89C2V7UotyHs8NwU7kcfV67A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28446 On Friday 23 November 2007 11:10, Jorge Llambías wrote: > In Lojban, normal syllables end in a vowel or in a single consonant. li'o > > What I have done in the current version of the PEG morphology is to > allow any string of phonemes for names in general (maintaining pairwise > acceptability), but I also created a subclass of names "jbocme" for > properly Lojbanic names, which allows only those names that consist > purely of normal Lojban syllables. I think this is could be an acceptable > solution so that the parser doesn't barf on not quite Lojbanic names but > they are flagged as being not quite Lojbanic, thereby giving fully > Lojbanized names a slightly higher status. I think that this is a good idea, as my previous idea of allowing the last syllable to have an extra onset at the end, and the first syllable to optionally have a coda at the beginning, was a bit ugly. However I consider "-rk" and "-nk" to be valid codas, or more generally, any syllabic consonant followed by another consonant that doesn't violate the adjacent consonant rules. Using that rule, {mark} is a jbocme but {marks} isn't. This, however, would demote cmevla formed by deleting the last vowel of a gismu to not-quite-Lojbanic status if they end in two non-syllabic consonants, such as {resp}. How about allowing one extra consonant at the end? Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.