From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 18 04:30:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37688 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7938 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 12:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2007 12:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ItjHf-0001As-Ar for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:30:18 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Itj8p-0000os-BG; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:21:12 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:16:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Itj48-0000oM-58 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:16:13 -0800 X-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Itj3d-0000my-7v for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:15:50 -0800 X-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so996090nfv for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr3802216hue.1195384866788; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.141.13 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:21:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <55b258c20711180321k74a85dc9g5e20b809d58b7e93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:21:06 -0600 In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10711180120h22d76144p2975dff7770c9fd7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10711180120h22d76144p2975dff7770c9fd7@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6adb536ba78e5e29 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13945 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: teucer@pobox.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Craig Daniel" From: "Craig Daniel" Reply-To: teucer@pobox.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Poll (not lojbanic, but whorfish) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=zwcdpOoRAhUni5tVgdNZd_Agy4cDF2ISHQHFKn8cUK0inPJsUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28423 > If you see a plastic bag with two books inside and a pair of shoes, > how much items do you see? And, if your answer is not 1 or 5, list > these items, please. Depends on whether the bag is transparent or not. If so, I'd probably count the books as two items and say five; if not, I'd say I see a bag of books, a left shoe, and a right shoe - three items. Yes, this is true even though the bag is open and I can see the books in it. But if the bag is flat on the ground, with the sides rumpled down, so the books are technically "in" it but "on" would be a much better descriptor, I'd probably call that five. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.