From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 13 06:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63188 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2007 14:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2007 14:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 14:25:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14816 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2007 14:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Nov 2007 14:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Irwgz-0001xZ-4G for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:24:56 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Irwf4-0001TK-6T; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:23:07 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IrwQp-0001Si-Qe for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:08:08 -0800 X-Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IrwQT-0001Rk-3O for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:07:53 -0800 X-Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id d.ca3.1cf29faf (39329) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:07:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:07:07 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca3.1cf29faf.346b098b_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 13926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Subject: [lojban] respect X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=4NATO3m2YWCKRdS_h-ktqLR2F1xbZbpHn_OujD4D_X30Y6BmeA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28404 --part1_ca3.1cf29faf.346b098b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/2007 4:34:07 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > We need not do all cultures the respect of uncritically accepting > their ideas (not hardly!) but here the respect we are discussing is > the basic respect of being honorably named, and I will proudly stand > again behind saying that we as a community should offer that without > hesitation to all peoples on this Earth. > > > mi'e bret. > You have limited the topic of discussion to your own viewpoint. I was talking about the former one. All cultures should have a name, a handle by which they can be discussed. Naming something has nothing in common with respecting it. Lojbab's (I think) suggestion for different lujvo to identify more precisely what the topic is is surely a good one. Witness the confusion between Brett's idea of what we were talking about and mine, in both cases "respect". stevo --part1_ca3.1cf29faf.346b098b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/13/2007 4:34:07 AM C= entral Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:


We need not do all cultur= es the respect of uncritically accepting  
their ideas (not hardly!) but here the respect we are discussing is &nb= sp;
the basic respect of being honorably named, and I will proudly stand &n= bsp;
again behind saying that we as a community should offer that without &n= bsp;
hesitation to all peoples on this Earth.


mi'e bret.


You have limited the topic of discussion to your own viewpoint.  I= was talking about the former one.  
All cultures should have a name, a handle by which they can be discusse= d.  Naming something has nothing in common with respecting it.
Lojbab's (I think) suggestion for different lujvo to identify more prec= isely what the topic is is surely a good one.  Witness the confusion b= etween Brett's idea of what we were talking about and mine, in both cases "= respect".

stevo
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