From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 18 11:38:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61778 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13582 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2007 19:38:32 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iGs-0000le-U9 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:38:31 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iGH-0000hG-3B; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:38:00 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iEj-0000h9-VI for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:18 -0800 X-Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iEc-0000gw-RW for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:17 -0800 X-Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so4920854mue.2 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.70.8 with SMTP id s8mr8035906fga.29.1198006568445; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.71.13 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10712181136w76664b5drdd962b2c9f12df97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:36:08 +0300 In-Reply-To: <925d17560712181117k3d8ee116yab87e6e27d6d6361@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30712181039r134bca55v908d10e8be1323be@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712181117k3d8ee116yab87e6e27d6d6361@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 93364c825725d63d X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: is a gismu a selbri? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=vyYMEzzC7qTndpr2Cizf7J_a-CRTwBo9Iigw5UtLE1yVfz5HBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28512 T24gMTIvMTgvMDcsIEpvcmdlIExsYW1iw61hcyA8ampsbGFtYmlhc0BnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdy b3RlOgoKPiAiZ2lzbXUiIGlzIGFsc28gbm90IGEgcGFydCBvZiBzcGVlY2ggaW4gdGhlIHVz dWFsIHNlbnNlLiBUaGUgcGFydHMKPiBvZiBzcGVlY2ggaW4gTG9qYmFuIHdvdWxkIGJlIEJS SVZMQSwgQ01FVkxBLCBBLCBCQUksIC4uLiwgWk9oVS4KCkkgaGF2ZSBqdXN0IG5vdyBkaXNj b3ZlcmVkIHRoYXQgRW5nbGlzaCBsYW5ndWFnZSBoYXMgc3VjaCBhIGNvbmZ1c2lvbi4KQ29y cmVjdCBtZSBpZiBJIGFtIHdyb25nLCBidXQuLi4gSW4gRW5nbGlzaCB3ZSBjYW4gc3BlYWss IHNheSwgYWJvdXQKdGhlIFNWTyBvcmRlci4gIlMiIGlzIGZvciAiU3ViamVjdCIgaGVyZSwg YW5kIG5vYm9keSBtaXN0YWtlcyAiU3ViamVjdCIKd2l0aCAiTm91biIsIGFsdGhvdWdoIG5v dW4gY2FuIChhbmQgb2Z0ZW4gZG8pIHdvcmsgYXMgc3ViamVjdC4KCk9uIHRoZSBvdGhlciBo YW5kLCAiViIgaXMgZm9yICJWZXJiIiwgYW5kIHdlIGhhdmUgb25lIHdvcmQgd2hlcmUgdHdv CmFyZSBuZWVkLiBJIGFtIHJhdGhlciBpbGxpdGVyYXRlIGluIEVuZ2xpc2gsIHNvIHRoZSBm b2xsb3dpbmcgcXVlc3Rpb24KbWF5IGJlIHN0dXBpZDogd2hpY2ggd29yZCByZWxhdGVzIHRv ICJ2ZXJiIiB0aGUgc2FtZSB3YXkgYXMgInN1YmplY3QiCnJlbGF0ZXMgdG8gIm5vdW4iPyBJ biBSdXNzaWFuIHRoZXJlIGFyZSB0d28gZGlzdGluY3QgdGVybXMsIGFuZCBwZW9wbGUKYXJl IHRhdWdodCB0byBkaXN0aW5ndWlzaCB0aGVtIHdoZW4gdGhleSBhcmUgYWJvdXQgdGVuIHll YXJzIGFnby4KCi0tIApDeXJpbCBTbG9iaW4gPHNsb2JpbkBpY2UucnU+IGBXaGVuIEkgdXNl IGEgd29yZCwnIEh1bXB0eSBEdW1wdHkgc2FpZCwKaHR0cDovL3dhZ25lci5wcC5y