From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 17 13:04:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35744 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 21:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 21:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 21:04:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1425 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 21:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Dec 2007 21:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4N8b-0005Mh-NP for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:04:33 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4N83-0005Ke-Cq; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:04:06 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:02:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4N6y-0005KY-K0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:02:52 -0800 X-Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4N6u-0005KM-Ic for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:02:52 -0800 X-Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F80CE6A6 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:02:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:02:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712171602.42691.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] nth letter of the alphabet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=IMUh1g-ieXspUtm1lxaslpNoM3YWrXAoPB2DrfeegTSlfOlnHg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28499 I wrote an article [[i]] on the Lojban Wiktionary in which the first definition says that it's a letter of the alphabet. On the English Wiktionary, letters of the alphabet are given their ordinal number. In Lojban, y'y, slaka bu, and denpa bu come before abu. I have no qualm with counting y'y as a letter, but what about slaka bu and denpa bu? Slaka bu makes no difference to the identity of a word, only its pronunciation, and denpa bu does not occur within words. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.