From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 18 11:41:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52966 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:41:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15492 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2007 19:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iJa-0000tN-FH for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:41:19 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iJ5-0000qm-Kx; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:40:51 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iIM-0000qY-Qo for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:40:03 -0800 X-Received: from anno.name ([81.169.186.62] helo=mail.anno.name) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4iIH-0000p9-Qx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:40:02 -0800 X-Received: from [192.168.178.20] (p5085FE36.dip.t-dialin.net [80.133.254.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.anno.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497FBED2A7 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:39:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47682208.20803@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:39:52 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070808) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <737b61f30712181039r134bca55v908d10e8be1323be@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712181117k3d8ee116yab87e6e27d6d6361@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10712181136w76664b5drdd962b2c9f12df97@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10712181136w76664b5drdd962b2c9f12df97@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 OpenPGP: id=21E90840 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAA3B95F08EE178BCEED130E1" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Timo Paulssen From: Timo Paulssen Reply-To: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Subject: [lojban] SVO order (was: Re: is a gismu a selbri?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Rl6DXnIjbOn-n7R0sJI4ECpNXZi3gorutnMHP5o9VDbZURzsbg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28513 --------------enigAA3B95F08EE178BCEED130E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cyril Slobin wrote: > I have just now discovered that English language has such a confusion. > Correct me if I am wrong, but... In English we can speak, say, about > the SVO order. "S" is for "Subject" here, and nobody mistakes "Subject" > with "Noun", although noun can (and often do) work as subject. I have only been told of the SPO order: Subject, Predicate and Object. - Timo --------------enigAA3B95F08EE178BCEED130E1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" [Attachment content not displayed.] --------------enigAA3B95F08EE178BCEED130E1--