From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 18 10:42:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71687 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 18:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 18:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 18:42:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 18:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2007 18:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4hOD-0005u0-Bz for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:42:01 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4hNP-0005ld-Mb; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:41:20 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4hLq-0005lU-5l for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:35 -0800 X-Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4hLk-0005lE-H0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:33 -0800 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so599702elf.20 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.83.4 with SMTP id g4mr1887722wfb.28.1198003166219; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.193.17 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:39:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30712181039r134bca55v908d10e8be1323be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:39:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Chris Capel" From: "Chris Capel" Reply-To: pdf23ds@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] is a gismu a selbri? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Wc_4DYnNMx0lXtWr4eQWkUzaAAMT5Tkif1x_BY9fme6tbvyAdA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28510 LFB says in chapter 2 part 1 "A selbri is not a type of word (like a 'verb' in English); it is something that some types of words can do." Is this correct? Does it even make sense? By this interpretation, a gismu would not *be* a selbri, but only able to act as one. Yet I believe that for any type of word that can act as a selbri, each word of that type can act as a selbri, so there's really no reason not to say that a gismu *is* a selbri. Or have I gone wrong here? I think perhaps the author was just trying to provide some concepts to preempt confusion over Lojban vs. English parts of speech, but thereby ends up being slightly inaccurate. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.