From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 04 07:21:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87190 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2007 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6573 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Dec 2007 15:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzZah-0004Cr-Ie for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:21:46 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzZUv-0003nx-Cf; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:16:06 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzZKR-0003mG-3T for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:05:02 -0800 X-Received: from pi.meson.org ([66.134.26.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzZK1-0003kx-Vz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:04:46 -0800 X-Received: (qmail 10753 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 10:04:05 -0500 X-Received: from nagas.meson.org (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (1000@192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 10:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <47556C65.9060108@kli.org> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:04:05 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <97f5058c0712030123l24c3e6bfj5d57187ac9b9eca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <97f5058c0712030123l24c3e6bfj5d57187ac9b9eca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Mark E. Shoulson" From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Reply-To: mark@kli.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Word for "bless" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=JK_5HanhJCjUV5ZgXE5-qcjscWLtf-J0PmskW1jD5T9Il78n1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28454 Penguino wrote: > I've been wondering about the state of the Lojban equivalent to the > word "bless". Jbovlaste gives /ruxyzau/, however this is for blessing > an action, not an object. I suppose one can use /tu'a/ here... though > it might not be clear exactly what the abstraction is. There is also ( > /ces/)/toldapma/, though it might be ambiguous... it could also mean > "x1 releases/un-condemns x2 from damnation x3", paralleling > /tolvimcu/, and (in my opinion) an ugly word to use for bless. > > I guess one could get a word for/ /"bless" that parallels the place > structure of /dapma/ through something like /zanseldimgau/, but it is > rather long. I remember asking about this a few times too. I think cestoldapma might mine from years ago. It's been pointed out to me that {dapma} really should be construed to cover both bless and curse, since both involve "dooming with words" so to speak. You express a hope or doom, positive or negative, to befall the recipient. So then {zandapma} might be fine for blessing. ~mark To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.