From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jan 07 08:47:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55794 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 16:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 16:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 16:47:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4424 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 16:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2008 16:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBv83-0005rC-1Y for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:47:15 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBv7b-0005oz-B3; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:46:46 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:46:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBv6u-0005ot-DA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:46:00 -0800 X-Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBv6p-0005og-Q1 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:46:00 -0800 X-Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659EDCE8F4 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:34:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:33:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801062233.57198.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] preposition whose object is a vocative phrase X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=16NV-FdbzitGlXT0OWJXWsGDa5oTXXwyvDbO0XEw7fjxWa5Htg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28568 I noticed [[xingu'e]] on Wikipedia, made a few changes (such as boldfacing "barat"), and then noticed the following sentence: ko'a cu remoi barda gugde fi'o merli tadji lo prenu klani fi'o kansa mu'o le gigdo prenu gi'e zemoi barda gugde fi'o merli tadji lo tutra klani This looks like a malgli xelfanva of something ("remoi barda", for instance, is supposed to mean "second largest"), but "mu'o" makes no sense at all, and the writer obviously meant something like "ji'i". I threw the sentence at jbofi'e and was surprised to see it parse. What does "fi'o kansa mu'o le gigdo prenu" mean? Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.