From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 03 07:32:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43202 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 15:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 15:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 15:32:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10869 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 15:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Jan 2008 15:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAS3c-0005ou-M7 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:32:33 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAS2q-0005gv-6O; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:31:48 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAS0r-0005gp-41 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:29:41 -0800 X-Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.240.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAS0m-0005gY-Ow for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:29:40 -0800 X-Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080103152929.RERB129.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:29:29 -0500 X-Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id YfUw1Y0013y5FKc0000000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <477CFF5D.8000808@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:29:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <702226df0801021635h1e3f1cd1q8e9f848ae1e2a427@mail.gmail.com> <477C38E2.80400@lojban.org> <925d17560801030633s1650f796j741ad63f1f96b4bf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560801030633s1650f796j741ad63f1f96b4bf@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban-English full dictionary effort- request for assistance X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=V2Jyf1rCn4oYeaiYmSJaZkQqNgCLMU_aNRuZtqzUBS6CS8X1ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28551 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 1/2/08, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > >> If you coin a lujvo without >>determining its place structure, you miss out on the possibility that >>sel[xxxxxx] might be the best lujvo for an English concept. > > I suspect such lujvo will be very rare, because the tendency seems > to be to interpret them as [selxxx]xxx. In jbovlaste I found only one > each of types selkem[xxxxxx], terkem[xxxxxx], velkem[xxxxxx], and > none with xelkem-. I couldn't find any without -kem- and meant to be > interpreted as sel[xxxxxx], but there might be some and I might have > missed them. Is anyone aware of any such lujvo? I suspect that there aren't many yet because there aren't all that many lujvo with agreed upon places. (I don't actually know what the count is for lujvo in jbovlaste that a) are not themselves based on SE b) have place structures which have seen any usage of non-x1 places. Of course, I am not even sure how many 2 part and 3 part lujvo there are in jbovlaste with defined places structures at all.) lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.