From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jan 13 10:06:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85323 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 18:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 18:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 18:06:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24396 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 18:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Jan 2008 18:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7Dy-0005Hl-O8 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:06:23 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7DO-0005DA-FJ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:05:50 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7Bt-0005D3-84 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:13 -0800 X-Received: from n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7Bo-0005Cp-BC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:13 -0800 X-Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.95] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3085.83153.bm@omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68184 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 18:04:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YnBe5aEVM1mtZ.9tIMytXijLrrQm6oVFZp3zAeK29WRKpNbltTmPEAadNTEjmhXkF_D0oL4Dx_WYKwR6nrkD2Z7_6A-- X-Received: from [129.98.10.114] by web45804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:00 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-647617834-1200247440=:67307" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <908929.67307.qm@web45804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opilauma@yahoo.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Opi Lauma From: Opi Lauma Reply-To: opilauma@yahoo.com Subject: [lojban] and/or X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=c4bLdJcxB-LAjSHx8-gH7J0wOkuz8-169cF5AVoPhFsSTzQZhg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28581 --0-647617834-1200247440=:67307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am searching for the words which I have to use to connect arguments of sumti in the following 3 cases: Case I: Bears killers came into the city. The sentence means that every object which came into the city is bear AND killer simultaneously. Case II: Bears and killers came into the city. The sentence means that every object which came into the city is EITHER bear OR killer. Here one can distinguish two sub-cases. II A: the object cannot be bear and killer simultaneously. II B: the object can be bear and killer simultaneously. Case III: Bears or killers came into the city. The sentence means that one of the following two sentences is correct (but I do not know which one): 1. Bears came into the city. 2. Killers came into the city. Here one can also distinguish two sub-cases: III A: I do not know which of the two above sentences is correct but I know that only one of them is correct. III B: At least one (may be two) sentences are correct. P.S. It is interesting to notice that in the case II, in the sentence, I use "AND" and to explain the meaning of the sentence I need to use "OR". And this strange disagreement exists not only in English. Does it exist in Lojban? Thank you in advance, opilaumas --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-647617834-1200247440=:67307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,

I am searching for the words which I have to use to connect arguments of sumti in the following 3 cases:

Case I:
Bears killers came into the city.
The sentence means that every object which came into the city is bear AND killer simultaneously.

Case II:
Bears and killers came into the city.
The sentence means that every object which came into the city is EITHER bear OR killer.
Here one  can distinguish two sub-cases.
II A: the object cannot be bear and killer simultaneously.
II B: the object can be bear and killer simultaneously.

Case III:
Bears or killers came into the city.
The sentence means that one of the following two sentences is correct (but I do not know which one):
1. Bears came into the city.
2. Killers came into the city.
Here one can also distinguish two sub-cases:
III A: I do not know which of the two above sentences is correct but I know that only one of them is correct.
III B: At least one (may be two) sentences are correct.

P.S.
It is interesting to notice that in the case II, in the sentence, I use "AND" and to explain the meaning  of the sentence I need to use "OR". And this strange disagreement exists not only in English. Does it exist in Lojban?

Thank you in advance,
opilaumas

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