From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jan 07 09:09:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58638 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 17:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2008 17:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2008 17:09:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7006 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvTh-0006tW-9N for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:09:34 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvTI-0006q8-8p; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:09:13 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:08:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvSM-0006pz-He for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:08:11 -0800 X-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBvSD-0006p7-0x for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:08:10 -0800 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so3882950fga.0 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr7346303fga.41.1199725679077; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.1.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:07:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560801070907s2fec21a6q849890a83919d366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:07:59 -0300 In-Reply-To: <200801062233.57198.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200801062233.57198.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: preposition whose object is a vocative phrase X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=ivmBGkr51-pSjeijDdwF2NKnL29yyHDH8_aFWLPihXC4DBEqPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28569 On 1/7/08, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I noticed [[xingu'e]] on Wikipedia, made a few changes (such as > boldfacing "barat"), and then noticed the following sentence: > > ko'a cu remoi barda gugde fi'o merli tadji lo prenu klani fi'o kansa mu'o le > gigdo prenu gi'e zemoi barda gugde fi'o merli tadji lo tutra klani > > This looks like a malgli xelfanva of something ("remoi barda", for instance, > is supposed to mean "second largest"), but "mu'o" makes no sense at all, and > the writer obviously meant something like "ji'i". I threw the sentence at > jbofi'e and was surprised to see it parse. What does "fi'o kansa mu'o le > gigdo prenu" mean? The vocative is not the object of the preposition, it is rather attached to the selbri {kansa}. The tag is in this case a {tag [ku]} term. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.