From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 31 14:28:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32654 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 22:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 22:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 22:28:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14133 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 22:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Jan 2008 22:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKhtO-0004Qb-LO for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:28:23 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKhsj-0004H9-L5; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:27:49 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKhqs-0004Gx-4H for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:47 -0800 X-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKhqi-0004Ff-I7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:45 -0800 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so746448fga.0 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.58.3 with SMTP id g3mr2477165fga.1.1201818325851; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.71.17 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10801311425s585db7caj5812fa46061ca41b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:25:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200801311428.51590.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200801311142.14271.phma@phma.optus.nu> <3ccac5f10801311022oa495243r2fbfe2d1d1eca620@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160801311108g766b6a33pe2604bd84a376731@mail.gmail.com> <200801311428.51590.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b95c99241ba903d X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Cyril Slobin" From: "Cyril Slobin" Reply-To: slobin@ice.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: as the crow flies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=SSGbcXhEuYDIb-Xl-hMw9OalSJHd5g1xka0C7bKg7j81t3p7eA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28623 On 1/31/08, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Or the bird could be a hoatzin, a chicken, or an ostrich. It doesn't > matter much what kind of bird it is, as long as it can fly that long. > So maybe > {ki'otre li pamu ka'a da'i lo volcpi}? I believe this is unnecessary. If we assume some cooperation with the listener, then s/he probably realizes that cipni klamas the way that the cipnis usually klama. And if s/he tries to find a weird meaning, then no wording will be sufficient. To say first, "lo volcpi" claims only that we speak about bird that can fly, but not that it has used this ability to make this one voyage. To claim the later, vofli must be connected with klama, not with cipni. -- Cyril Slobin `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, http://wagner.pp.ru/~slobin/ `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.