From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Feb 01 18:52:24 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JL8US-0004lA-G7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:24 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JL8UO-0004kq-PX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:24 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so1467111pyh.30 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=59dGaaLq8mk+jY5/nA9+pd85jM48OmZ3AQna7c/C/Vo=; b=Sc7G+33//fwurYQiyXUIAqdNLHQMZWbg50sKCXGuuQe+M7UmvmoJZAWddPBXi1oxJ4Ii0NqUe4QQP7DCdzVFE0XOA0G0I9RZWXDJ0aUjFOIaU+NFySCLt26MyOA42/I+sKnlXPLPAAoKMG0QUuc+SpIB1l4rTMGOQLijYESirXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vFNf5gXvAx+zH4zFrUp8xNPPTh0tF3g2HQoJOdDF1vIUMELTr1EBQdWCg9cW06gGGi1fVlI6C8mRAcg0f+I+sTdEK70wb9N1VvVjCtJEVpjKzXGRovasQG/Ym/YkDAit1AThcsNc1XN0FJVfDsPAHYs0CyxYV3MWIo1N6tWLRro= Received: by 10.142.14.20 with SMTP id 20mr2688323wfn.2.1201920739144; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.193.17 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:52:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30802011852p3a6b3115n2562711f83535a7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:52:19 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] dates, controversy, and newbies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list So I've been reading some old arguments on this list (from 2001-9) over detri, pi'e, etc. And I find myself in a position of writing material that, practically speaking, has to take a position on these issues, or else skip that part of the language. Material to teach the language to beginners. I could go with the option of just following LFB, but I really hesitate to do so. Using cmene for years, months, and weekdays seems so ... inelegant. And has usage settled down on this yet? For the LE issue, I had the easy option of following the BPFK proposals, but AFAIK date format issues haven't been (and won't be) addressed by the BPFK. I could just pick a side, but given the possible influence I might have, that feels like a big overreach. (I feel your pain, Nick.) If usage hasn't settled anything yet (and I wouldn't think it has) then what should I do? Teach the controversy? Even that option has the downside of confusing and discouraging newbies, but perhaps it's not avoidable at this stage in Lojban's development. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.