From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 21 12:02:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20662 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.10) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 20:02:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30239 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 20:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Feb 2008 20:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHcw-0007HU-MQ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:02:43 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHcB-0006of-LJ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:01:59 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHal-0006oX-5r for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:00:27 -0800 X-Received: from anno.name ([81.169.186.62] helo=mail.anno.name) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHab-0006o4-0Q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:00:26 -0800 X-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (p5085C0C4.dip.t-dialin.net [80.133.192.196]) by mail.anno.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C2ABDA30 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:00:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47BDD838.2060308@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:59:52 +0100 User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20080208) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4F7DD9F27E3008F77D807EFE" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Timo Paulssen From: Timo Paulssen Reply-To: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Subject: [lojban] Joining the Ranks of the BPFK: The LRWTF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=6JKZHYeAqXIXfiqAo2JcLNxExJcLVo8SB-WgP_DcSXjzXituZA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28654 --------------enig4F7DD9F27E3008F77D807EFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, my dear fellow Lojbanists. A complaint on our LiveJournal community page caught my attention. It said, that the Lojbanic Community should move to a web based bulletin board software solution and dump mailing lists. While the opinions on web based bulletin boards are not subject of the discussion I want to start right here, it did make one thing clear to me: The Lojbanic Community is hardly exposed to the casual visitor to our "flagship website" at all. Free your mind and open up lojban.org. What do you see? You will have to agree to me, that - apart from LiveJournal, which had a bit of activity recently - it looks deserted. The "news" are already more than half a year old! The next thing you see is an explanation of the main features of Lojban, linking to an old Scientific American article. After that you see the LJ blog on which only a few people post sometimes. I think, that our wonderful Lojbanic Community is not represented in a sufficient way at all. The "help page", that is linked from the main page looks pretty cramped and not really inviting, even though it does mention the mailing list and IRC channel, which - to me - are the main places where the Lojbanic Community is. This state has to be remedied and there are plans. With this post I am testing the waters for initiation of the grand Lojbanistani Restructuration of Website Task Force I have composed this Roadmap for LRWTF actions in the future and I welcome and constructive or explosive criticism and will gladly accept "patches" - additions, removals and modifications alike! --8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Road to Success for the LRWTF =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1) Make it obvious, that the Lojbanic Community is living and breathing. By looking at the lojban website you'll get the impression that Lojban has been dead for some time now. Change that! a) Expose the Lojbanic IRC channel and the Mailing List to the visitor immediately. b) Get into the habit of summarizing recent Lojbanic Community events on a wiki page or some sort of other appropriate medium. 2) Make the Mailing List more accessible. While mailing lists are probably the most awesome non-realtime forums in existence currently, it indeed is true, that it's not familiar to the casual websurfer. a) Make the mailing list archives easier on the eye. b) Make the mailing list archives easier to navigate and figure out. c) Find or develop a front-end to the mailing list that looks and behaves like a typical bulletin board software. 3) Make the lojbanic website all about the community! Well, I'm not talking about web2.0 community social networking stuff or similar things. However, there should be at least a central "commons" site on the wiki that lists people in a pretty format of some sort, maybe with a profile-ish tabular list - have a field for ni jbocre, icons for "on irc" and "on the mailing list" and all that and maybe others. 4) Remove cruft from the Wiki The navigation menu on the left is a bit crowded and if we could come up with a more sensible, clear structure with stronger visual cues for what's important/big/a headline or so, that would be great! There's also lots of old and completely outdated pages on the Wiki, which could use some rewriting or removing! -->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-- For this endeavor to succeed I need at least one person to help me (kick me in the butt as soon as i get lazy, that is!), so please tell me what you think of my plans :) PS: I apologize for the weird wordings; we've been dealing with political speech in german as well as english lessons recently and I got kind of carried away :) - Timo --------------enig4F7DD9F27E3008F77D807EFE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" [Attachment content not displayed.] --------------enig4F7DD9F27E3008F77D807EFE--