From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 21 12:09:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23797 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 20:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2008 20:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2008 20:09:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3040 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2008 20:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Feb 2008 20:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHj6-0007UJ-EN for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:09:06 -0800 X-Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHiY-0007R5-M0; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:08:34 -0800 X-Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHhs-0007Qu-Un for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:49 -0800 X-Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSHhj-0007QU-TO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:48 -0800 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so95319rvf.46 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.82.38 with SMTP id f38mr7050159rvb.30.1203624454352; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.115.11 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:07:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <47BDD838.2060308@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BDD838.2060308@perpetuum-immobile.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Matt Arnold" From: "Matt Arnold" Reply-To: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Joining the Ranks of the BPFK: The LRWTF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=jWkZw268xs8b57dbuFLuyszWVG75AI2543R0II26F26DaxaC0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 28655 Timo, thanks for your initiative on this. Due to other commitments, I won't be able to help until 14 months from now, but I like your plan. -Eppcott On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Timo Paulssen wrote: > Hello, my dear fellow Lojbanists. > > A complaint on our LiveJournal community page caught my attention. It > said, that the Lojbanic Community should move to a web based bulletin > board software solution and dump mailing lists. > While the opinions on web based bulletin boards are not subject of the > discussion I want to start right here, it did make one thing clear to me: > > The Lojbanic Community is hardly exposed to the casual visitor to our > "flagship website" at all. > > Free your mind and open up lojban.org. What do you see? > You will have to agree to me, that - apart from LiveJournal, which had a > bit of activity recently - it looks deserted. The "news" are already > more than half a year old! > The next thing you see is an explanation of the main features of Lojban, > linking to an old Scientific American article. > After that you see the LJ blog on which only a few people post sometimes. > > I think, that our wonderful Lojbanic Community is not represented in a > sufficient way at all. > > The "help page", that is linked from the main page looks pretty cramped > and not really inviting, even though it does mention the mailing list > and IRC channel, which - to me - are the main places where the Lojbanic > Community is. > > This state has to be remedied and there are plans. > > With this post I am testing the waters for initiation of the grand > > Lojbanistani Restructuration of Website Task Force > > I have composed this Roadmap for LRWTF actions in the future and I > welcome and constructive or explosive criticism and will gladly accept > "patches" - additions, removals and modifications alike! > > --8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- > > =============================== > Road to Success for the LRWTF > =============================== > > 1) Make it obvious, that the Lojbanic Community is living and breathing. > > By looking at the lojban website you'll get the impression that > Lojban has been dead for some time now. Change that! > > a) Expose the Lojbanic IRC channel and the Mailing List to the > visitor immediately. > > b) Get into the habit of summarizing recent Lojbanic Community > events on a wiki page or some sort of other appropriate medium. > > > 2) Make the Mailing List more accessible. > > While mailing lists are probably the most awesome non-realtime > forums in existence currently, it indeed is true, that it's not > familiar to the casual websurfer. > > a) Make the mailing list archives easier on the eye. > > b) Make the mailing list archives easier to navigate and figure out. > > c) Find or develop a front-end to the mailing list that looks and > behaves like a typical bulletin board software. > > > 3) Make the lojbanic website all about the community! > > Well, I'm not talking about web2.0 community social networking stuff > or similar things. However, there should be at least a central > "commons" site on the wiki that lists people in a pretty format of > some sort, maybe with a profile-ish tabular list - have a field for > ni jbocre, icons for "on irc" and "on the mailing list" and all that > and maybe others. > > > 4) Remove cruft from the Wiki > > The navigation menu on the left is a bit crowded and if we could > come up with a more sensible, clear structure with stronger visual > cues for what's important/big/a headline or so, that would be great! > > There's also lots of old and completely outdated pages on the Wiki, > which could use some rewriting or removing! > > -->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-->8-- > > For this endeavor to succeed I need at least one person to help me (kick > me in the butt as soon as i get lazy, that is!), so please tell me what > you think of my plans :) > > > PS: I apologize for the weird wordings; we've been dealing with > political speech in german as well as english lessons recently and I got > kind of carried away :) > - Timo > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.