From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 06 07:54:52 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JiWGh-0001zj-Eb for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:54:51 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JiWGT-0001zL-6l for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:54:50 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so1079662pyh.30 for ; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=43PYPzCNmyLqwjB/r0D5DOxRHKDpREyhtak2zUrsDyo=; b=qXlORK+KPYdpbKup7c+czQXqMYt3bY6QK1XNwalue4Qu5SSxbPTWwMiF0K7DT5rLK1+fKR/+JydGJwybLzWL87gXnHxQDXjOp651tKDsQjYKypGTYVqaC37uebwjQQdVh4/HNAg7bJCqvQNor50STr7sY5L5+ZDcp2lwhI+U3+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bbPxVj0MYObI9LTMHasV5jHziW9Xqc2H7sYHiBNaRuKlckV8XZCUU8ylXrmc5NB7wUPzSo8YHLDS0XvfnfOm+RPpOtgUVa8FPEr5tfw8e0wiisaouKHTJF8iqAYHaYV9hrmRNomaV/yKZ0XvmddQAsxx/h6UvRR3OEoZTY54OlQ= Received: by 10.65.176.3 with SMTP id d3mr6668046qbp.37.1207493668520; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.72.8 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 02:54:28 +1200 From: "LakMeer Kravid" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Original orthography draft now online for critique In-Reply-To: <597165.55778.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <597165.55778.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lakmeerkravid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:40 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > I'd say somewhere a bit above the middle of the range of proposals (a B of some sort -- roughly on a par with the Latin alphabet). Having to go back to dot the 'i's is a defect as is the fact that the use of diacritics for phoneme distinction increases the likelihood of misspellings and/or misreadings. That aside. the various symbols are fairly distinct, though perhaps unduly complex. It is unclear whether in a running hand the difference between a loop and a point will be maintained. Thanks for your critique, you raise some valid points. The 'i-dotting' mechanism is I feel, the weakest part of my proposal. I haven't found a better mechanism yet, and I am fond of the diacritics so for now it is unchanged. The distinction between round and point is something i wasted many-a sheet of paper testing. I'm convinced it works. Some characters are complex, but they still flow from the pen naturally, so I don't consider it an issue. I'm intrigued to hear you give the system a 'B' as you said - to which proposal would you give an 'A'? Perhaps we can mingle the best points from both. mu'o To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.