From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 15 11:47:26 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlqBi-00056b-Kp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:47:26 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net ([68.230.240.8]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlqBa-00055g-CZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:47:26 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080415184702.ZYJQ13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:47:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id DunA1Z0073y5FKc02unAdn; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4804F82B.3080208@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:47:07 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Russian etymology of Lojban References: <20080313194839.GB9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <47D9BE15.5040405@lojban.org> <20080407185020.GK9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <20080407194918.GL9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <4c4e58c10804080733m7cc6b71fgfff16c6e2df634ba@mail.gmail.com> <20080411170202.GM9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <480124D0.4050204@lojban.org> <20080414161255.GN9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <480390A9.70102@lojban.org> <20080415132511.GO9672@grendel.dealloc.org> In-Reply-To: <20080415132511.GO9672@grendel.dealloc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list mublin wrote: > > > "when necessary." -- Unlike its equivalents in many languages, > ``tunba'' gives us an option to qualify by gender, rather than forcing > us to do so. In this light, it would have been even better to > eliminate the redundant ``bruna'' and ``mensi''. > > If the goal at the time had been to truly design a new language, we probably would have seriously considered doing so. But Lojban was being created as a negotiating position with language inventor JCB, and thus we strove for backwards compatibility and did not reinvent anything that we didn't feel had to be reinvented. The words in JCBs lexicon that we eliminated were words that should never have been gismu by any argument, but were created at the time when there wasn't a true morphological distinction between roots and compounds (and no fu'ivla space), so there were gismu-shaped fu'ivla and what we would consider lujvo shaped fu'ivla. (e.g. "bilra" = "billiards" and "futbo" = "football" (never defined as to whether this meant American or soccer). lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.