From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 09:18:01 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 26 May 2008 09:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0fOb-00053i-Dn for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:18:01 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0fOX-00053P-2S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:18:01 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so661182ele.1 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2cEceXkIz2GF9Rz+Ep84Do8ldecdJ4rB+NEbdVWKa6g=; b=KMW0fwc+0J3R3Db2glh33rUgTlthLULh2U99FwJCdQXWXe87+CN0OuZRWIMoLN1eCcCcyqHE94+PWhFf/yfl80c0hCpuY+Qq0gi9bmDWyAhPnGEReRXIcrEVqsocal12hYTV8V6iGkQY0tED/ge/n9XaUigKNlI2RO5wIfMiwbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iX00NmS9vAkwdAPAZACDGZPTwWa7P+2RVzT/e3qPnZwyXTHuAfcQJ6Agekiue6hb8Ulpwh0Q3rSVSGKrpIksHkGfh9zCcMX4+rmmri6LI651wxxI5jB12On9z4RjIIjcrccfzuqMpGgzevO+dmG7adWpTOiQHWXPJMstNiocirw= Received: by 10.140.147.5 with SMTP id u5mr78063rvd.166.1211818675130; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.162.14 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60805260917l7c06c303g13ae6954092eb26f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:17:55 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstractions In-Reply-To: <925d17560805251311w64befd5dx7c6713e729528f5d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <200805251745.08367.eldrikdo@gmail.com> <925d17560805251311w64befd5dx7c6713e729528f5d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14434 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:45 PM, nam wrote: > >> We had the example of: {.i mi citka lo plise ba lo nu mi citka lo badna} >> Where the question was, if {.i mi citka lo badna} was implicitly stated, since >> the whole bridi wouldn't make sense if it wasn't. >> >> (i.e. It wouldn't make sense to state "I eat one or more apples after my >> eating one or more banana(s)", if "my eating one or more banana(s)" never >> occurred and never will) > What if it had instead asserted "I eat apples after Hell freezes over/after pigs fly"? The whole sentence is still valid, and may even be true, but that doesn't mean you've eaten any apples at all, yet. We will have to wait and see.... Remember, the main bridi had no tense associated with it, so it's simply asserting a fact, not necessarily one that has come to fruition yet. --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.