From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 21 11:39:59 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KA80F-00047W-G5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:59 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KA80A-00046t-LK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:59 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1449488wfg.25 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=w39NP9L0k49O6ID7Q9kA0L6BdBOZOCao2GmGbWIQ57w=; b=kp0BFacPa85xAgDH636DTgAjWP0pvelJo9wp7H1f0RiUgwk2q81YMmpJiWqNRTOagV V+5ZM9dJeW/4iJIqucoluEgHBcmvR27Nd13G8y6Ir2KXwCo+gm01EWTtw8gPjwXSwcVK uARdZXIy9b9Y9iFJcld9SKUvbOudRf41poMJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gaEGKyPMho6mB9vW+W6Ovqy2TWPEkru6dV/FdlAjfaXjmnHHtTMJNpIlnW0Tui8C8K VEanYQ+TVWEfubWp7a/aCL9JwHMEtmWJij/qAOgUYWSmyTZnq3bxgOUS/zgESdYDUZ9n 6j3wsTf2VcgAJ+bR95l/XTpBawkkOs2n5BpOI= Received: by 10.142.70.11 with SMTP id s11mr2483356wfa.293.1214073588200; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30806211139u277a4eefrac2eebd94b7d21f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:48 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: lojgloss and linebreaks In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806192246u28840568pfb92f4a0728c123e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806192246u28840568pfb92f4a0728c123e@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Chris Capel wrote: > I'm using alice as a source of stuff to translate to test my > parser/glosser. When alice starts a new HTML paragraph, the official > parser doesn't say that it's starting a new lojban paragraph. For > that, NIhO is required. Is a NIhO implied by an HTML paragraph break? > "la nicte cadzu", on the other hand, mostly starts new text paragraphs > with {ni'o}, but there are numerous exceptions which might have some > meaning. (Half a {ni'o}?) > > Conventionally, casually, I think a paragraph break in text (or a > double-linebreak in plain text) does imply a new paragraph, and I'll > probably treat it as such whether or not it's technically accurate. > But I was wondering if the convention had any formal backing. I think that, really, what I'm confused about here is the meaning of {ni'o}, which really isn't something you can blame me too much for, because the grammar's production for statements between {ni'o} is "paragraph", which is really quite misleading. A paragraph is a *visual* unit in written text used to denote a group of statements on the same topic, *or* used to visually break up a long stream of text on one topic. So that production really shouldn't be called "paragraph". Perhaps "topic" would work, but I'm not sure that's totally accurate either. Then again, production names that are english word aren't always totally accurate in their connotations. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.