From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 01 06:52:03 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KDgH5-0004F7-9O for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:52:03 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KDgGs-0004Dt-DT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:52:02 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1677791rvf.46 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:51:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=V5oiM2Ol8AdQ8fo0/yD8v8MKrQqXHb3VZRuyAH77KTE=; b=dvfUO5+4jZSGb87j8BoqO3Xp9TDKg16059CsL0Fb/1gs+iNrjGZel+ceBibI1VxAgb B2pxWqBAJZN3dUU7sAjr4B72LkAjWki9QKs6hOcLeoJs17SVpXJDHFnIlkq7/NSDBAMt NZaROSPr/z3LF+DICpRgeUwMb5qkqPfgwGuzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RWdVkHJkfpCs9TV+SWAAwU8HED5ZIb6zPe8b36y8UggwCReiIX/fuXz/kfq+NakXgg oUqp7/UT/CKYpIhJychw9aFLErB5uhXP65eHQPiwSc1q1PFzR2HQeXlQdusCh7byRSbW 5MAYCCPbA7qYqgLNpA0u2M4B1ytKUdfAt7LxU= Received: by 10.140.172.21 with SMTP id u21mr3461112rve.262.1214919883606; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.179.16 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60807010644k7d99e5fche5248aef1343598b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:44:43 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: technical bridi place question In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806290834hb19c642v347fed12e57a3c15@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806282341r53792ce9h12f083f139afb67@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290716l7af221caq24c5300e80fa8088@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30806290834hb19c642v347fed12e57a3c15@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Chris Capel wrote: >>> This probably doesn't matter, practically speaking, but in the sentence >>> >>> da broda be de be'o di >>> >>> , is {di} in place 2 or 3 of broda? Jboski says 3, and my parser >>> agrees, but I wanted to make sure. >> >> That's what I would expect to. {da de broda be di} is harder >> to decide. Is {de} the x3 of broda, because the selbri >> {broda be di} is already reduced by one place, so that its >> x2 is the x3 of broda? > > Well, both Lojgloss and jbofi'e assign de to x3, but not for the > reason you give (at least in the case of Lojgloss). My algorithm > starts filling places of "broda" with the linkargs first, starting at > the second place, so first di is assigned x2, then da x1, and then de > x3, because it's the next open place. Thus {da fe de broda be di} > assigns de to the x2 of broda, where under your interpretation it > would be the x3 of broda, being the x2 of {broda be di}. (Jbofi'e once > again agrees with Lojgloss.) Although you can't always trust jbofi'e. After all, in "da broda de fe di it assigns de to the X3 place, but the refgram (chapter 9, 3.9) specifically says that both "de" and "di" should be the f2 places. I'm not sure what the rule is with "be"-implicitly-tagged places would/should be, though. --gejyspa (and yeah, I did comment on jbogloss 2.0.0, saying that on Windows XP it was giving me a windows error message when I tried to run it...) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.