From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 25 23:57:12 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KXsUK-0003zy-7d for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:57:12 -0700 Received: from smtp5.webbpost.se ([194.30.169.50]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KXsUF-0003zN-OA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:57:12 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([213.112.182.88]) by smtp5.webbpost.se (Webbpost.se) with ASMTP (SSL) id GOF14500 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:57:00 +0200 Subject: [lojban] Re: Dereferencing sumti referring to selbri From: Daniel Brockman To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560808251104j627939b1j10fc85e7c18a2d9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1219501639.22940.88.camel@weewam> <925d17560808241733j1e0cb2acmc48adcf86cf1512d@mail.gmail.com> <005e01c906d8$b6008600$0701a8c0@Daniel> <925d17560808251104j627939b1j10fc85e7c18a2d9b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Organization: Go Interactive Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:57:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1219733822.4800.16.camel@weewam> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: -9 X-Spam-Bar: - X-archive-position: 14672 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: daniel@gointeractive.se Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:04 -0300, Jorge LlambĂ­as wrote: > On 8/25/08, Daniel Brockman wrote: > > So in essence what you're saying, xorxes, is that you think > > > > .i mi me la'e zo'oi fluent la .lojban. > > > > is totally fine? > > Right. (.fluent. has to be between pauses like .lojban.) In speech, yes. In writing, whitespace is more natural, since the pause symbol is specifically Lojbanic while the quote is foreign: it can be any string of symbols. To say {zo'oi} in written text quotes any string of non-blank characters (including periods or any other special symbols) is simple and useful. Foreign quotation is inherently non-AV-isomorphic anyway so it buys us nothing to pretend that we're dealing with AVI Lojban words. You probably can't pronounce {zo'oi http://www.lojban.com/} without glottal stops, so you might have to switch to {zoi} when pronouncing. On the other hand, the same problem already exists with {zoi}, since even though the quote mark word does not appear in the foreign written text it may turn out to occur when pronouncing the foreign text. -- Daniel Brockman daniel@gointeractive.se To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.