From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 29 16:18:26 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZDEY-0002RS-BT for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:18:26 -0700 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZDEU-0002R6-U8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:18:26 -0700 Received: from Thirderivative@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id d.c3b.421e509d (34896) for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA015-885048b883b51fa; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:13 -0400 Received: from mblk-d14 (mblk-d14.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.6]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA011-5c4348b883ad3d; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:05 -0400 References: <8CAD841C4B3A2C5-B24-1F7E@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> <20080829231324.GA1945@sdf.lonestar.org> To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:05 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.162.64.81 In-Reply-To: <20080829231324.GA1945@sdf.lonestar.org> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: thirderivative@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CAD844A02BF24F_B24_40E7_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 75.162.64.81 by mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.6) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAD844A0010843-B24-2032@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14687 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: thirderivative@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ----------MB_8CAD844A02BF24F_B24_40E7_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" my mistake on the emphasis. you have lost me on the other stuff. apologies if i have taught any false doctrine! -----Original Message----- From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 5:13 pm Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing de'i li 29 pi'e 08 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. thirderivative@aol.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > or you could have it yncys.ztran. depends on you. .skamyxatra No, he can't. 'z' is a voiced consonant, and 't' is unvoiced. "ztran." would have to be changed to "stran.", "zdran.", or "zytran." in order to be an acceptable Lojban word. Even if he chose one of the first two, any 'i' sound between the first two consonants would be nonstandard and would only be used by those having trouble with the cluster. la'o fy. thirderivative@aol.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > you may want to capitalize the ZEtran if that is what receives the emphasis. .skamyxatra If he writes it as "zetran.", the emphasis will already go on the "ze" by default. mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. -- no zo mi nenri zo bende To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. ----------MB_8CAD844A02BF24F_B24_40E7_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
my mistake on the emphasis. you have lost me on the other stuff. apologies if i have taught any false doctrine!


-----Original Message-----
From: Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 5:13 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing

de'i li 29 pi'e 08 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. thirderivative@aol.com .fy. cusku zoi

skamyxatra.

> or you could have it yncys.ztran. depends on you.

.skamyxatra



No, he can't.  'z' is a voiced consonant, and 't' is unvoiced.  "ztran." would

have to be changed to "stran.", "zdran.", or "zytran." in order to be an

acceptable Lojban word.  Even if he chose one of the first two, any 'i' sound

between the first two consonants would be nonstandard and would only be used by

those having trouble with the cluster.





la'o fy. thirderivative@aol.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.

> you may want to capitalize the ZEtran if that is what receives the emphasis.

.skamyxatra



If he writes it as "zetran.", the emphasis will already go on the "ze" by

default.



mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy.



-- 

no zo mi nenri zo bende





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