From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 01 08:16:46 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KaB93-0003s9-GB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:16:46 -0700 Received: from narnia.blumen-schwarz.de ([80.190.195.21]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KaB8h-0003oU-GX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:16:44 -0700 Received: from o0612.o.pppool.de ([89.51.6.18] helo=nicte.localnet) by narnia.blumen-schwarz.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KaB8R-0003La-Ju for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:16:15 +0200 From: Roman Naumann To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: LA/LO/LE: Three Perspectives on Language Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:14:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.0 (Linux/2.6.26-1-amd64; KDE/4.1.0; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809011714.49439.eldrikdo@gmail.com> X-Spam_score: 0.2 X-Spam_score_int: 2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "narnia.blumen-schwarz.de", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Monday 01 September 2008 06:53:49 Brett Williams wrote: > LA > > LA is the easiest gadri to explain and to use. LA isolates one of the > most fundamental properties of language: That an arbitrary sound can > indicate an arbitrary referent in the world. With LA we have complete > freedom to use this power of language. We can name anything any name, even > if the thing is already named or the name is already taken. From the > perspective of LA, words are just sounds, which anyone can attach freely to > anything. With LA, we are each Adam. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 14692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eldrikdo@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 01 September 2008 06:53:49 Brett Williams wrote: > LA > > LA is the easiest gadri to explain and to use. LA isolates one of the > most fundamental properties of language: That an arbitrary sound can > indicate an arbitrary referent in the world. With LA we have complete > freedom to use this power of language. We can name anything any name, even > if the thing is already named or the name is already taken. From the > perspective of LA, words are just sounds, which anyone can attach freely to > anything. With LA, we are each Adam. Your boxes explanation for lo/le seems handy to me. LA being but a sound-thing connective, however, confuses me as until now I assumed {la cribe} for instance would (in translation) be the one 'named bear', not the one 'named cribe'. (l4b stated that IIRC) That would be not just a sound-thing connection, but a (sound)-meaning-thing connection. la cribe [The one who is called by the word meaning bear] [The one called bear] -- mu'o mi'e ki'a To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.