From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 03 11:45:42 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KaxMM-0004qD-CV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:42 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KaxMJ-0004pt-J6 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:42 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2531762rvf.46 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wnMLlrGhylTzMmpKbWgyM8MjBsklFd2jYym+PX/RhNU=; b=aAXu1ooZ3qzP6LnXeSQ+U6EvWIJIWpONkOB1bsVZNTJ1MPuoyFy2z+ykHwfsRG6wDl n18dFoXnGP2VRed73AGKMmDDA9NaBUDKwPMy4kAJMKYOkZntUdCAh686/Kg7PB6ZVSdk JfNce0S836yEXeDxIhZg9hDKaoyigVRUkHkWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lGjxkw2NX4R9JEnc3a8BsLOSx+ragjEo+byrmzn/0OQsOYlZgFAnyySo+e06zkLNsS OhPEp2/4RCF6qSoOwjVkZPGpUEBGPLID7Jqk9ZA4WJ+Tj9tz1Ux1PddL07HjHA0uj1u1 bR5ykKxkxs4+yCL87Rc6B+fHJKh8wSntB3sIU= Received: by 10.140.132.3 with SMTP id f3mr5107410rvd.277.1220467537878; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.211.15 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560809031145u71442508i38bfb7c62272de3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:45:37 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: LA/LO/LE: Three Perspectives on Language In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560809011537i54345eebk260c95e46369578@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14697 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/3/08, Brett Williams wrote: > > OK so help me dig deeper into what the real distinction is between the > LA-space and the LO-space.. I think you got it right: with {la} a word labels the thing(s) we want to talk about directly, with {lo} a word labels the box in which we put the thing(s) we want to talk about. But that's how la/lo work, it doesn't really tell us which words are suitable labels for which things or for which boxes. > We relate to > the LA-space by filling it with lots of names of people, some > names of places, and not much else. I guess pets are an extension of "people". There are also company and brand names, some events, dates or periods of time, ships, ... I guess anything with enough individuality usually gets a name. > In putting together the Amber dracyselkei, I've been imagining these > characters I'm calling the "crida". The crida speak Lojban with a > distinctive style. For instance, they like the construction: "lo lo lo > broda ku brode ku brodi". Obviously non-human. Such "center embedded" phrases are notoriously hard for humans to parse: > I'm also considering having them use LA-space for > some different things, like for instance naming an emotion "xrerx" and then > describing someone who's feeling it as "lo cinmo be la .xrerx." That's more human-friendly. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.