From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 05 14:27:52 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbiqO-0001wy-Aj for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:27:52 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbiqG-0001wh-Jj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:27:52 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m85LRgeY022008 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:27:42 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.12.8/Submit) id m85LRf7S008873 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:27:41 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:27:41 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How to spread the word Message-ID: <20080905212739.GA14046@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <1220648242.3538.15.camel@tulcod-desky> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1220648242.3538.15.camel@tulcod-desky> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 05 pi'e 09 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. Auke Booij .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I hope you didn't think of this yet, because that would suggest it's not > working. .skamyxatra We've already thought of this, in a way. Most Lojban propaganda emphasises its potential usefulness for writing scientific & Mathematical papers, and some other fields, such as law, have also been mentioned as potential benefactors of the language. However, as far as I can tell, the problem isn't that it's not working. The problem is that *no one who knows Lojban truly cares about it*. No one is actually passionate about the language to the point of being willing to make some great contribution and carry it through to the end. The committee in charge of ironing out the language recently sent out an e-mail asking for a taskmaster in the hopes of getting around their "serious lack of momentum." Almost all of the few original Lojban works attempted have either been very short or else have been abandoned part of the way through (e.g., {la nicte cadzu}). The Lojban main page has two news items on it: one from March of this year and one from May of last year. The most frequently cited excuse for failure to get around to working on a Lojban project is that it's not high enough on one's list of priorities. Huge swathes of the tiki are out of date, and the dictionary may never be completed. The Lojban portion of Wikipedia (yes, people have been translating it) has 688 pages, 564 of which are "{na mulno}" (stubs, not complete). Either Lojban attracts people with schizoid personality disorder, or else the language is simply lacking in any features to capture people's imagination and keep it captured long enough for them to spread the joy to others. I've been holding in that thought for a while. If anyone disagrees, the best way to disprove me is to do something truly great & labor-intensive for Lojban. mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. -- do ganai ka'e tcidu dei gi djuno lo dukse To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.