From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 08 12:42:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Knevl-0004Z0-2N for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:42:45 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Knevf-0004Yj-NK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:42:45 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so234659ana.61 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bmByW6G0d2xKN16lUS89VN72puRdc0gNfP7hLsxxEIg=; b=qqCZ8wAOiOAmd8/lXUdBg+FxaogzA5MCbrUAA2VtQR2jumjQ2YzaDSCQCgzZNDx9bv B+MQKpxuIKGP0m9rTbvpW7yCENcNCylA3RZByMrqvNPUt2S15RMK7VcmNJfGSDq405md +l2YmCcLzzLZ0p5GC4NenbJZhcIolOCc4mEro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=V1faq5t3kP6nb4tB2MFL6r4PJ8+7CxPoAK6qMtKd2BGb7Hhyxyl1y2vWED6alUdwjl E9kx269TOTZ4x3iN7NvyW3WKMw4QzXiZcyFPzok5bXaygLV3TzsweHEDp5uJnVUjdOUb E4o+dY0Oru/UwtsvUg3Z1ELY5Gp97+JKylCCk= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr3839349wfz.331.1223494958190; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.214.14 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:42:38 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Second Life In-Reply-To: <48EBDD5A.10909@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_116558_5929310.1223494958215" References: <48EBDD5A.10909@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_116558_5929310.1223494958215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/7/08, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > > I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people summarize the > various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, via text and/or > voice. And specifically what is the status of using Second Life for Lojban > conversation among the various options. How many are involved, and how > often? The active forums now that I know of are IRC, these mailing lists, Wikipedia and Jbotcan. Everything else is ignored at the moment, as far as I know. Jbopre seem to have a collective feeling that it's better to concentrate the community in as few places as possible, leading to a conservative attitude to any new forum. New IRC channels often arouse criticism for spreading the IRC conversation too thin, and even Jbotcan faced a lot of skepticism at first. So the negative side of that is that you won't find Lojban active in a huge variety of different places around the net, but the positive side is that you can visit IRC and encounter a Lojbanist at any time of the day or night because that's where everyone goes. One idea I had for how to spread Lojban conversation to more places at once is to start forums focused on particular topics. Lojban seems to me like it's at the point where we can use it to communicate actual information about various subjects, instead of just gathering around the language and poking at it. I bet it would be more effective inviting Lojbanists to a chat on Second Life (for example) if it was a meeting for some particular purpose. People are already fulfilling their generic desire to speak with other people in Lojban, so they're probably not going to bother with exploring somewhere they're less familiar with, just to have conversations in Lojban with other Lojbanists they already know! mu'o mi'e se ckiku ------=_Part_116558_5929310.1223494958215 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/7/08, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people summarize the various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, via text and/or voice.  And specifically what is the status of using Second Life for Lojban conversation among the various options.  How many are involved, and how often?
 
 
The active forums now that I know of are IRC, these mailing lists, Wikipedia and Jbotcan.  Everything else is ignored at the moment, as far as I know.  Jbopre seem to have a collective feeling that it's better to concentrate the community in as few places as possible, leading to a conservative attitude to any new forum.  New IRC channels often arouse criticism for spreading the IRC conversation too thin, and even Jbotcan faced a lot of skepticism at first.  So the negative side of that is that you won't find Lojban active in a huge variety of different places around the net, but the positive side is that you can visit IRC and encounter a Lojbanist at any time of the day or night because that's where everyone goes.
 
One idea I had for how to spread Lojban conversation to more places at once is to start forums focused on particular topics.  Lojban seems to me like it's at the point where we can use it to communicate actual information about various subjects, instead of just gathering around the language and poking at it.  I bet it would be more effective inviting Lojbanists to a chat on Second Life (for example) if it was a meeting for some particular purpose.  People are already fulfilling their generic desire to speak with other people in Lojban, so they're probably not going to bother with exploring somewhere they're less familiar with, just to have conversations in Lojban with other Lojbanists they already know!
 
 mu'o mi'e se ckiku

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