From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 02 07:54:48 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KwfHs-0001eo-5o for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:54:48 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KwfHo-0001eQ-HT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:54:47 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g9so794860rvb.2 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:54:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oA6VsWjDLSCyP4x3rRLYA7SQWVJf+3KAwCfujq3jiJ8=; b=OrfNdATWVkjgUk6T3HU7xQvhwyLgrrz9Hv8k3D6s/Tr4fz/wsATADpj4Zt/OdsElEH e831rDZeMK/aC6ZQ3ttZvm/nGdKpmg+5hN3/JHTKBQQn1TcbLyN3n5JpHyDrvkJAufWS EYrfZNUoEIZfMZWxQ5OlXD8ljxgOH4+6//fNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=oIovzclU+WroVWAB0dhwbZAkS9SG3g9tNaCqZAstyAGthfYjFtXZAxTgOcV+qFmLCP kbaEnXka1khi44oUBymgLqoznZIk2G/8Jmeh4nzf3K25TrjA6kw+K3PlHoYgHUoUJGLw ZHc5ygT5omSsYjVBik15N357B9eUQ4Yd6248Q= Received: by 10.140.191.14 with SMTP id o14mr8232755rvf.78.1225641283727; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:54:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811020754o3e3eb956t2830a064a6f2aef9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:54:43 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: how to say "call"? In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10811020133s3f9b6969odea7872130860e2a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811012350.00020.phma@phma.optus.nu> <3ccac5f10811020133s3f9b6969odea7872130860e2a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14901 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Cyril Slobin wrote: > > This remembers me about another good point: 1 Cor. 7:23 > > "Ye were bought with a price" > > Obvious translation is: > > {do se vecnu fo lo jdima} > > But this can be translated back also as: > > "You were sold with a price" > > Quite different for a native natlanger! It seems that the difference is whether the focus is on the buyer or the seller: "You were bought with a price":"Someone bought you with a price" "You were sold with a price":"Someone sold you with a pice" So in Lojban one could perhaps say: do se vecnu da fo lo jdima You were sold by someone for a price do se vecnu fi da fo lo jdima You were bought by someone for a price mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.