From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 03 04:02:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwy8r-0003br-6V for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:02:45 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwy8l-0003bI-8a for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:02:45 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2538561rvf.46 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:02:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=j+fRoxesuNruMgV8ZFOQih30XJ5T6nk1gfHfpSxtKJc=; b=X7kLHCGhUYugyjv4k4ORP+DkeZ7aBCU9ZQ+0T/6ljV5yu8EnXD8ubx2mSpLlgN9VBm z6hxsk4c9WXXk4DbRV4KaWURFM1uS9qAfpqr4ucBk8kP/8ngVMYbK3KvnQfSU6o/qesN LTtwULkuxym2Jozjdl//9Mtf9K3qIPNjmeulk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qydBuLRuOIVZ6EPAi1LbR/IohsIenQSnlCfVRk9qn4LNUtDh/VWCjaUMPI+4By02/w /LbmSp95fobdplajGEYd6gbEE+MngdnjfNhNbYpB+a/g/O19s67jNKUzVQptKpumdKTc 79sLPU7J4JOTe7HXxxzMCOgHXxEMHiH30j0x0= Received: by 10.141.83.15 with SMTP id k15mr8856128rvl.289.1225713757716; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:02:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811030402s470a2710q59d223f213df7973@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:02:37 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930811021841p1155c406r2fa3b7a8975011ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0810260835h78654a7dr11b5b5c0957bce70@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811021242n22e66bcdgfe2cef707444147d@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930811021841p1155c406r2fa3b7a8975011ad@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14909 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:41 PM, tijlan wrote: > 2008/11/2 Jorge Llambías : > >>>> .i no sai zo'e ga'i vi cipni jonai vlilydanlu vau .oi >> >> I think you want "ja" rather than "jonai" there. > > My thought was: can a little bird (which was what I meant by {cipni}) > be also a beast? Even if nothing could be both cipni and vlilydanlu (and I'm not sure that's true) I would still prefer "ja", simply because it's easier to understand. After all, the point is just that there aren't any cipni, and that there aren't any vlilydanlu. >>>> da'i lo nu piso'o dantyfriti fi lo jirnydza ke pelxu betfymlana zo'u >> >> "piso'o dantyfriti" is a sumti. Maybe "piso'omei dantyfriti"? > > My mistake. By {piso'o} I intended to mean "some of the bullets". I > was ambitiously looking for a way to say it in a tense-like form. > > Supposing {piso'omei dantyfriti} is a tanru, I think I'll go with that. It's a tanru, yes. {friti so'o lo danti lo jirnydza ke pelxu betfymlana} would be more straightforward. >>>> .i mi ja'eda'i lo mu'e tolcikna binxo cu nu citka djica >> >> "nu citka kei djica"? > > I knew about the convention, but I wasn't clear about why NU's scope > was considered that long. NU will grab a whole sentence after it, in this case the sentence {citka djica} > If the left-grouping applies to NU too, > shouldn't {nu citka} without the delimiter be a separate seltau for > {djica}? The left grouping applies to the {NU ... KEI} tanru unit. NU by itself is not a tanru unit, it converts a whole sentence that follows into a tanru unit. >>>> .i ko'a mu'e frumu >> >> "ko'a co'i frumu", or "mu'e ko'a frumu". > > Is {mu'e frumu} not a valid selbri? {ko'a mu'e frumu} is a grammatical sentence, but it says that ko'a (a man) is an event of frowning. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.