From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 07 06:02:02 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyRuT-00077c-OA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:02:02 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyRuO-00077L-7X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:02:01 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1148848rvf.46 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aPYLREjYj/HJsptUpoJPMecgaEEvsEBgiUZD9H2mIs4=; b=AnwLewSBDtjCYtRjlSsy57Frq0Gjv/XjSLT/9GiOogcfg5nk41Y7cZF1SjJMHC6ij8 naHoyanCH91iOpaUjYX4LVXjqqJtP88TSCbxzRp1/eXLkjw2zJK5oDemqkoSd/iSHUkM NYBcuaRg80dSwzpT16oebF2MvFbmMH8cmomyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NDLTCbLFjkNAAZEoQF6WsRtiIcNhdoyd5G93+RTOTOhyIqduWPrN3UajalO3GP4InP L6QM+OB5O/emPYcJhjJ0Un7kW3k2CsNXeabKB2K+tTFRCk0HIlcEmgrkXOcWFQGpd+Y6 pCKBLopZSUo4xlhSS1MYXZYJ+YYUFqgtWYFeI= Received: by 10.141.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr1784367rvj.82.1226066515409; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811070601q607d607dp864298cafa011e8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:01:55 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Magic words (was: experimental cmavo in lojgloss.) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14949 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Daniel Brockman wrote: >>> Like, I assume {lo'ai zo sa'ai sa'ai le'ai} would be okay. >> >> That would replace a "zo" with a "sa'ai" ("zo" and the second "sa'ai" >> are just empty words, not parsed with their function). > > Oh, I thought {lo'u zo le'u le'u} was a quotation of {zo le'u}. CLL does say something like that. The PEG grammar goes with a different (simpler) rule. The official grammar didn't actually deal with magic words, so in CLL it was just a description of how they would have to be dealt with, but not actually incorporated in the formal grammar. So I may not be giving you what is strictly the "currently official rule". > So there is no way to quote with {lo'u} text that contains {le'u}? In a rare occasion where that might be needed, you can say something like: lo'u ... le'u ce'o zo le'u ce'o lo'u ... le'u Longer, but clear enough. >>> Is there a simple rule to follow? >> >> First come, first served. The first magic word is the one with the magic. > > Interesting. That is definitely a simple rule. :-) > > Does that mean that {zo broda zei brode} is a lujvo (rather than a > quoted lujvo)? Exactly. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.