From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 08 11:02:10 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kyt4U-0001kA-8P for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:02:10 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kyt4R-0001iN-VQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:02:10 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1720137rvf.46 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6PNCVS6hIwf8A/LIs/s1DiyBZtTTVhrjBeqsz06nFXs=; b=bzTJwkAvEoxiUIayYoLnnY0uQIlQ/CydSS5zO9J034oX93YMUHMjwNlun7+983VLy5 8pQvMkt5luvSbnfx9fpsieRU79JyMo9exwke90HjOMIETj9HUz5gaqNv9t6zhtLGBi1l Olw1Eb/9uLiB0hAW9PglXmw8Q1r6zX6ggdE6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TBxUmzVCbb1AWhaG22IzNsiJU3hip0017DCWWQ3AbQdu+nQe6VbdkiQGrAVGPLUOlq PO4t21QKZnPZ1lggIYhldIsmo8Go9glwlP0yvJI3j0vL5jOP28YsdNxWeFslMbPoMpOp uCvy2ayzqybHlLSAHBKBcfkNoj+lds0PbqPVg= Received: by 10.141.114.15 with SMTP id r15mr2568800rvm.179.1226170926944; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811081102l72b38fefp6a3adae34d562d71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:02:06 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930811080122n7f91eea3v53fc4cce02d4d343@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0810260835h78654a7dr11b5b5c0957bce70@mail.gmail.com> <200811072307.26737.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930811080122n7f91eea3v53fc4cce02d4d343@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14963 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:22 AM, tijlan wrote: > > The speaker is not questioning a specific why. And, in my opinion, "ni'i" is > a generic one, encompassing the other whys, like "nu" is to the other NUs. > The sentence can be rephrased as: > > ma nibli lo nu fe'eso'iroi vorme > > This "ma" can be answered by either "krinu" or "mukti" or "rinka" or "se > jalge", depending on what it actually turns out to be. I would have said "ki'u ma" is the most general one, "what is the explanation for ...?", and not "from what can we deduce that ...?" which is what "ni'i ma" asks. I guess a logical entailment can also work as an explanation: All Russian-style buildings have many doors. This is a Russian-style building. Therefore, this building has many doors. That's the kind of answer provided, so "ni'i ma" is not ncessarily wrong, but I don't see that reasons, motives and physical causes can be logical entailments. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.