From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 09 11:34:16 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzG36-0007ti-NO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:34:16 -0800 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16] helo=mail.cec.wustl.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzG33-0007tM-QQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:34:16 -0800 Received: from grid.cec.wustl.edu (grid.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.20.97]) by mail.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D09B1E80BA; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:02 -0600 (CST) Received: by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix, from userid 29287) id E55F312810F; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07C512810E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:34:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce In-Reply-To: <925d17560811081102l72b38fefp6a3adae34d562d71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <2f91285f0810260835h78654a7dr11b5b5c0957bce70@mail.gmail.com> <200811072307.26737.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930811080122n7f91eea3v53fc4cce02d4d343@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811081102l72b38fefp6a3adae34d562d71@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LRH 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > I would have said "ki'u ma" is the most general one, "what is the > explanation for ...?", and not "from what can we deduce that ...?" > which is what "ni'i ma" asks. I guess a logical entailment can also > work as an explanation: All Russian-style buildings have many doors. > This is a Russian-style building. Therefore, this building has many > doors. That's the kind of answer provided, so "ni'i ma" is not > ncessarily wrong, but I don't see that reasons, motives and physical > causes can be logical entailments. I've always thought that {se ja'e ma} is the most general version. It's just "as a result of", without specifying what kind of result. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ You can't get a leopard to change his spots. In fact, now that I come to think of it, you can't really get a leopard to appreciate the notion that it *has* spots. You can explain it carefully to the leopard, but it will just sit there looking at you, knowing that you are made of meat. After a while it will perhaps kill you. --Geoffrey K. Pullum To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.