From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 10 08:28:55 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzZdH-0001k2-4T for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:55 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.244]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzZdD-0001jd-CT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:55 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2521398rvf.46 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lP4Tl/qKWBc44V40duPvLieioIpkZFslUGtHnl34Q1g=; b=fF7pmxtNwOvqrseJlgvabJ9+bVfZ0xFmcalCR+6vVL003zv0bBGGQxTzY+3hsrWUGA lXDYpR1Tf0gcjxgdHgnPpLhU7/XQgjcAohEQTgNW9ynCckovnBTW2HaL459GeVpwjerU k0+3T5sggwQ1JvtzcuX1qjx2O59qHv1E20Fdw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nvw/QfDgKvVhuDy7l+mJW3Kp6e5Xb9hg8OQWkfqylQa7Qts7LSlRri4gDzEpSaGIzQ tWILdToA5WlYF1pxOwwB3dsDtyZJ87f3gUycjaLcU957An2Fn7KTK87FtWu9CT8ZZbAb WRNPyJcM/BZ181bgJcJy0wnGHWHKsDzj2Eryk= Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr3681850rvl.34.1226334530795; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:28:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811100828k50ff608ehc6a5ae96446807ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:28:50 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0810260835h78654a7dr11b5b5c0957bce70@mail.gmail.com> <200811072307.26737.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930811080122n7f91eea3v53fc4cce02d4d343@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811081102l72b38fefp6a3adae34d562d71@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > > I've always thought that {se ja'e ma} is the most general version. It's > just > "as a result of", without specifying what kind of result. I think {se jalge} definitely covers {rinka}, but I'm not sure it covers all kinds of {mukti}. A motive can be an event that is (potentially) in the future of the event it motivates. Can a result occur before what it results from? For example: lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu mukti lo nu mi klama le zarci I will buy butter motivates I go to the market. I go to the market to buy butter. lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne cu krinu lo nu mi klama le zarci I will buy butter is the reason I go to the market. I go to the market because I will buy butter. both sound acceptable. I'm not sure about: ? lo nu mi klama le zarci cu jalge lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne ? I go to the market is the resut of I will buy butter. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.