From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 10 10:37:28 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzbdg-00047T-Rb for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:28 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzbdb-00047C-Fa for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:28 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2582567rvf.46 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=/m90QR/jostlmxaNYByOUsIjlBOvpArK411V9i/X/s0=; b=AkKDQZNq6eGEYZ/5thUWtMDFNmrC/mWI8fgQONSw5CNxFMefdnRlJrUb3KKyYOvMJx cXYWuyonCNhkQkDkvfibeeNiNeHpIEiEHGBIzuJ2cQ+AsqGketB6X/uN/0GabOgH8AkY 2yzC5UmcmTm38JwcsVZJKtkqNmxUwYtDUeRBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lMMjE7Dgt6eT7/9ykUGH+ThCLDQYWuC///wJKnvZZiVEUwKEvLb7hPbWLiV9DFiacE TGCA/p+yKu5c1qyIGgwTXgbFMHHhYo6sVgsv7aAeOAnT5SjBT4wO51Pu/UzTC4vzm7L3 aqNc5qhnhKiuKR6U94ia772LOrqBU6zJnF4Sk= Received: by 10.140.126.14 with SMTP id y14mr3751600rvc.4.1226342242140; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.129.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:37:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:37:22 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Lojban Sentence Templates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list A couple of years ago I recommended to Robin a type of Lojban random sentence generator that relies on templates. Taking an existing utterance that parses, you transform each cmavo into the upper-case symbol for its selma'o. You transform each gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla into a tag meaning < gismu >, < lujvo > and < fu'ivla > respectively. You have a template. To use the template to make a random sentence, replace each selma'o tag with a cmavo from that selma'o, and each gismu with an actual gismu. You get a sentence that parses. Let's say you have the template LE MI GISMU CU GISMU KO'A2. Fill in the slots randomly with "le do bakni cu sovna di'u" and you get something nonsensical (Your cow is an egg of the last utterance.), but it parses. The reason I bring this up now is that I would like to find out which templates are the most common in the searchable corpus of Lojban utterances, such as IRC logs. This would suggest very useful templates for the home-game I'm building with dice, paper, and ceramics. I am considering recording audio learning courses in which I would group Lojban utterances (sensable ones) by template, to provide a variety of examples of simple valid sentence structures, and relate selma'o through substitution. Perhaps someone could intuit the most common and useful templates, if not search it with textfile processing. -Eppcott To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.