From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 10 10:50:55 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzbqg-0004sR-Ur for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:55 -0800 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzbqc-0004ru-NT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:54 -0800 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so3113313mue.6 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=I5iX+nppLATgFjJRYuCKbPlNu0LmQKOGrBLXAprZsfo=; b=PcL4FdTtBa8Va+BkhJTGcv3PY5cq3R1Ba2hWIpiivi5OQFsip+/4dNNn8dkHCPe+xn gN5wkIaX/KtkuwPjPAUSRv/bHCsURfwvyhrDryMssNarsSMd5XdHhuzzGpmns0imr3aF tsE1mEwEOh9azlJ9d+hlnnxFu2MOL7AofOSbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=u4SLIWY9GBkPUr04XZVjcDJ8EwSv0YrgWlz27n/VtRuDPUj8HzHAfsUIHSj88ihsYf 4Aupr98pN94qm9Zx7GsQAzHlV8bpmKgRkfBTOTVJA4V859xXlmhfe/mjA0qe8ABQbDja QA7647HDU4sRsWD0V9gcZc/s2C+1E5bDdPtJI= Received: by 10.187.231.13 with SMTP id i13mr2076307far.92.1226343047973; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.187.190.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c160811101050y574e255cid15b1579ac2a9079@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:47 -0500 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Sentence Templates In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64382_17702675.1226343047969" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 19c14ea34ea5a2d3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14982 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_64382_17702675.1226343047969 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Matt Arnold wrote: > A couple of years ago I recommended to Robin a type of Lojban random > sentence generator that relies on templates. Taking an existing > utterance that parses, you transform each cmavo into the upper-case > symbol for its selma'o. You transform each gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla > into a tag meaning < gismu >, < lujvo > and < fu'ivla > respectively. > You have a template. > > To use the template to make a random sentence, replace each selma'o > tag with a cmavo from that selma'o, and each gismu with an actual > gismu. You get a sentence that parses. Let's say you have the template > LE MI GISMU CU GISMU KO'A2. Fill in the slots randomly with "le do > bakni cu sovna di'u" and you get something nonsensical (Your cow is > an egg of the last utterance.), but it parses. > > The reason I bring this up now is that I would like to find out which > templates are the most common in the searchable corpus of Lojban > utterances, such as IRC logs. This would suggest very useful templates > for the home-game I'm building with dice, paper, and ceramics. I am > considering recording audio learning courses in which I would group > Lojban utterances (sensable ones) by template, to provide a variety of > examples of simple valid sentence structures, and relate selma'o > through substitution. Perhaps someone could intuit the most common and > useful templates, if not search it with textfile processing. Smallish point: Is there any reason not to merge < gismu >, < lujvo >, and < fu'ivla > into < brivla >? The distinctions between those three seem not relevant to the stated purpose. { le do .arxokuna cu barkla di'u } works just as well, right? mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_64382_17702675.1226343047969 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of years ago I recommended to Robin a type of Lojban random
sentence generator that relies on templates. Taking an existing
utterance that parses, you transform each cmavo into the upper-case
symbol for its selma'o. You transform each gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla
into a tag meaning < gismu >, < lujvo > and < fu'ivla > respectively.
You have a template.

To use the template to make a random sentence, replace each selma'o
tag with a cmavo from that selma'o, and each gismu with an actual
gismu. You get a sentence that parses. Let's say you have the template
LE MI GISMU CU GISMU KO'A2. Fill in the slots randomly with "le do
bakni cu sovna di'u"  and you get something nonsensical (Your cow is
an egg of the last utterance.), but it parses.

The reason I bring this up now is that I would like to find out which
templates are the most common in the searchable corpus of Lojban
utterances, such as IRC logs. This would suggest very useful templates
for the home-game I'm building with dice, paper, and ceramics. I am
considering recording audio learning courses in which I would group
Lojban utterances (sensable ones) by template, to provide a variety of
examples of simple valid sentence structures, and relate selma'o
through substitution. Perhaps someone could intuit the most common and
useful templates, if not search it with textfile processing.

Smallish point: Is there any reason not to merge < gismu >, < lujvo >, and < fu'ivla > into < brivla >? The distinctions between those three seem not relevant to the stated purpose. { le do .arxokuna cu barkla di'u } works just as well, right?

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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