From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 10 11:25:05 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzcNl-00079u-6n for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:05 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KzcNg-00077o-Bu for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:05 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2605395rvf.46 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:24:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cE6xrK9pWveGRicgMnSoLyFe8qm3dONRt43f+Vco6rI=; b=QFXIiKL7MjKARHpbLAVKDidRDzazQn2S1epJQQJSQZriLqKEt2KSiUklMcD/XT7qls 0fQFFhk9ozpLuLhdLKHteEb8kYmvdOnkP4Z59v8509sqYMyzSevjftpLB/MM88fNF+cq WBHd5phSAEcz85Yd9IaiAR47DuGV1goKdFuSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EIId/OgZJoOV/tEDtbZzAN7u6yDxvHMKNapd1wZoceCIZbEoMudRX5SA+DsYU/jL5b 4cSDXPWj3V9qeYNX+lP2Ja9MR0aYgrOZM2aAIuKCX9+XIAEuX5SbbsuzDEPWGWoJYQEt R5cqoSrgEL951WONJXvIpBmsbYaPiMxTF74es= Received: by 10.141.51.10 with SMTP id d10mr812143rvk.195.1226345098730; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.129.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:24:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:24:58 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Sentence Templates In-Reply-To: <12d58c160811101050y574e255cid15b1579ac2a9079@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160811101050y574e255cid15b1579ac2a9079@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14983 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list True! On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Matt Arnold wrote: >> >> A couple of years ago I recommended to Robin a type of Lojban random >> sentence generator that relies on templates. Taking an existing >> utterance that parses, you transform each cmavo into the upper-case >> symbol for its selma'o. You transform each gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla >> into a tag meaning < gismu >, < lujvo > and < fu'ivla > respectively. >> You have a template. >> >> To use the template to make a random sentence, replace each selma'o >> tag with a cmavo from that selma'o, and each gismu with an actual >> gismu. You get a sentence that parses. Let's say you have the template >> LE MI GISMU CU GISMU KO'A2. Fill in the slots randomly with "le do >> bakni cu sovna di'u" and you get something nonsensical (Your cow is >> an egg of the last utterance.), but it parses. >> >> The reason I bring this up now is that I would like to find out which >> templates are the most common in the searchable corpus of Lojban >> utterances, such as IRC logs. This would suggest very useful templates >> for the home-game I'm building with dice, paper, and ceramics. I am >> considering recording audio learning courses in which I would group >> Lojban utterances (sensable ones) by template, to provide a variety of >> examples of simple valid sentence structures, and relate selma'o >> through substitution. Perhaps someone could intuit the most common and >> useful templates, if not search it with textfile processing. > > Smallish point: Is there any reason not to merge < gismu >, < lujvo >, and < > fu'ivla > into < brivla >? The distinctions between those three seem not > relevant to the stated purpose. { le do .arxokuna cu barkla di'u } works > just as well, right? > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.