From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 16 10:48:18 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1mfS-0005T0-UA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:18 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1mfF-0005S8-RQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:18 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2339786rvf.46 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VpRvuDigUODw5ZQHZVSYpe2DJaauumnNg41gOYSCW2w=; b=sVQyiPHsQ+GavQfE4KsALj5xL+/L5KP3KwL6vQb7WhjgrkD+6UZKWmvAOQ1xTUE9be ssL4cGzkqi0JwefCwD12XleojlJ/TwAQotZjKwvn8emR+ItgdqJ0YY/+FA2DL8T0oi3N Rqw31Re0etecuenUpdkIn+dnr9Twnnz4F27wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AHEY6WKXAtoSB4z1kEZ4nJTA+fzXQEMKsNG/PGS5YfoavA+8Hgbbsd5Umk0lZR7n2I BtDtTmMtUcwCFQMurX/VXUD2B0KnliGAhb44lVSBYaCMOAwiz7bma/Jv61C6JhK4F7dv LM48A3PjBz8+vkhDCsFyo/K6cgkFYPhlUhsl0= Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr1785543rvg.64.1226861282499; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:48:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811161048l4313ccf8pd3b091e9ddf633b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:48:02 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Annotated PEG grammar In-Reply-To: <737b61f30811151245n352f23dala9685c894d991550@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811151245n352f23dala9685c894d991550@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > http://pdf23ds.net/lojban/Annotated%20Grammar.html >>paragraph <- (statement / fragment) (I !jek !joik !joik-jek free* (statement / fragment)?)* >> >>Jeks and joiks are disallowed after the I clause because to match them here would give them lower precedence than they actually have. There ae three problems with that: (1) As Stephen points ot, "!jek !joik" duplicates "!joik-jek". (2) Putting the restriction in front of "free*" makes no sense, because that would mean that for example ".i je broda" is blocked, but ".i pamai je broda" is allowed. That makes no sense. (3) In fact "!jek !joik !joik-jek" is just wrong here, even if placed after "free*". It's true that we don't want this pat of the rule to grab "i je broda" because of precedence, but there is no danger of that happening because "statement" will already have grabed them. On the other hand, this rule is blocking things like "broda .i joi gi da gi de brode" for no apparent reason. (While "broda .i pa mai joi gi da gi de brode" is accepted!) Conclusion: we must get rid of that "!jek !joik !joik-jek", or else explain better what it is doing there. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.