From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 16 12:21:52 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1o7z-000164-Tx for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:52 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1o7w-00015u-LI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:51 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2364428rvf.46 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=y2PfH2HpLcBmS0qus8/77Rs4JfLJiJZ/DSTjmfhO0DM=; b=hU7l3SxHzouRVC6YMAunrDU+Raz1VwdWh1kGVl5ow34T4OSSp4FCmRbekSSHGdpg8/ 5/zLwaDz/mjCg5kl1qWiLSdBLfQvEKW1D3a0NUpJ+w9Gbs6TL1y7JFgYJWUdJear4xyN biAk/MPkBMwWddaxTRKPI+7BbsAFRczdu4/8U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uji0QMI28A/m7n6244QVudmOkyW+F8jmcX7zOx6g70wpFp8t0YLitI2iKUh0+dPKcQ zvxS3f0by2Ki2OCq4sFWc5qoMPlQIu3+d9y3kPYATHItlCxHhNWxBLZ9UjMSVgWVTak9 ePGBtiEA+3dK77lABB8Jsr7GOjXbmvjjTHSH8= Received: by 10.140.170.12 with SMTP id s12mr1809940rve.254.1226866908048; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.10 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30811161221r476aed32o1989aa1f1ebadedf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:21:47 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Annotated PEG grammar In-Reply-To: <925d17560811161212p58b0e789mb61889dddc04c2ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811151245n352f23dala9685c894d991550@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811161212p58b0e789mb61889dddc04c2ba@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 14:12, Jorge Llambías wrote: >>> gek-sentence <- gek subsentence gik subsentence tail-terms / tag? KE free* gek-sentence KEhE? free* / NA free* gek-sentence > >>> This production refers to the already-defined production subsentence above. The options handle KE and NA prefixes. > > Perhaps point out why KE is used here at all. It's not needed to do > any grouping, since gek already handles that by itself. I think the > only reason is to separate "tag" from a possibe gek of form "tag GI" > since otherwise "tag tag" could collapse into a single tag. I believe the other examples is when you have, e.g., four subsentences all connected with geks and you want to group the middle two somehow. >>> sumti-4 <- sumti-5 / gek sumti gik sumti-4 >>> >>>This references itself instead of 'sumti' so that joik-eks get associated with the whole gek-gik phrase instead of just the sumti after the gik. > > A very unfortunate and confusing choice. gek .. gik ... should allow > the same things for each connectand. Perhaps. I've taken that bit out of the commentary, preferring a more elaborate treatment of precedence and reference to other members of a series at some other place in the document. Do you think that particular comment is noteworthy? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.