From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Dec 07 12:41:18 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9QRK-00077n-LH for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:41:18 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9QRH-00076X-8H for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:41:18 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081207204108.LJRM20835.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:41:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D413B5D for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: x2 of klani Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:41:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20081207200948.GG13298@nvg.org> In-Reply-To: <20081207200948.GG13298@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812071541.05344.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 07 December 2008 15:09:48 Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > I'm cleaning up lujvo definitions in Jbovlaste, and today, the turn has > come to {muclai}, which in noralujv is defined thus: > > smuci+klani: spoonful: x1 = klani1 (quantity), x2 = smuci1 (spoon) = > klani2 (quantifier), x3 = klani3 (scale of quantity) li'o > So in general, it seems that users of Lojban believe that what goes into > one of the places is the description of some substance, and another of the > places is some indication of how much there is of that substance. But they > don't seem to agree on which is which -- in the first example, it seems > that the quantity goes into the x1 and the mass of stuff goes into x2, > while in the other examples, the situation is reversed. The first example has {se klani}. > Furthermore, what type of sumti can go into the x2? Is it a number? > (Jorge's example is the only one that fills in the x2 explicitly.) But if > it is a number, how can it also be a spoon, as the place structure of > {muclai} seems to imply? Looks like an error when compiling the list. I say it's a number, as in this example: {loi tcatymuclai be li 1/3 be'o ke zingibero purmo}, from the terjukpa page. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.