From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 22 09:57:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LEp2H-0003ri-6Q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:57:45 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LEp2C-0003pv-UI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:57:44 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081222175734.LQTS1780.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:57:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C0A2639 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:57:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <101615.13333.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200812220944.03051.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560812220708m69ba82bdjc8646d5c55958603@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560812220708m69ba82bdjc8646d5c55958603@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200812221257.30029.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 22 December 2008 10:08:42 Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > This transform also applies to non-logical connectives, although the > > result won't be a logical wfb. E.g.: > > ti na gucti li re joi pulgada li so > > That's not grammatical. Do you mean "ti na gucti be li re joi pulgada be li > so"? According to jbofi'e, that's not grammatical either. I'm trying to join the bridi-tails. Is there a way to do that in afterthought? > > -> ti joigi na gucti li re gi pulgada li so > > -> ti joigi naku gucti li re gi pulgada li so > > I would agree those two are equivalent, although who knows what they > mean. Non-logical connectives applied to sumti correspond to binary > functions in FOPL (except for "fa'u"), but non-logical connectives > applied to anything other than sumti are something of a mystery. I > don't think they are equivalent to anything in first order predicate > logic. One possible interpretation is "It measures nine inches, or one foot and nine inches, or three feet and nine inches, or so on, but not two feet and nine inches." But it could also measure a meter and nine inches, or a gram and nine inches (as long as the gram isn't two feet long). Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.