From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 24 13:41:34 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqFx-0007b1-Vg for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:41:34 -0800 Received: from ec2-174-129-135-235.compute-1.amazonaws.com ([174.129.135.235] helo=ec2-www1.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqFv-0007ai-KF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:41:33 -0800 Received: from www-data by ec2-www1.lojban.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqFp-0004Mo-Hn for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:41:25 +0000 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] place tag confusion X-PHP-Script: www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-view_forum.php for 71.225.117.193 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "winkerbean" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:41:25 +0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban-out@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list place tag confusion Author: winkerbean coi rodo The jboski page translates 'fi lo skami cu tavla mi' to 'any/some which are computers are the subject of talking to Me', suggesting the place tag switching is temporary and limited to the one sumti. However, based on L4B (chapter 2) and the LRG (chapter 4), it should translate to 'any/some which are computers are the subject of a talk in language Me'. Specifically, LRG says: "What if some sumti have FA tags and others do not? The rule is that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumti following it occupy the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the proviso that an already-filled place is skipped" and L4B says: "After a place introduced with a place tag, any trailing places follow it in numbering. So in la suzyn. klama fo la .uacintyn. le karce Susan goes via Washington by car la .uacintyn. is the fourth place of klama, and le karce is understood as the place following the fourth place — i.e. the fifth place." Someone in IRC commented: "I think the right-hand side always starts with x2" I think this would make an acceptable exception, *if* I could find the documentation of it. Any thoughts and/or clarifications as to which is correct? (I would think a sizable portion of translations depend on the answer. Or, at the least, it does for Me.) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.