From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Apr 02 21:59:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 05:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40235 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 05:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 05:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (216.231.54.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 05:59:46 -0000 Received: from [207.226.56.145] (helo=bob.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16sdot-0006ZM-00 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:00:32 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403005141.04ad9870@digitalkingdom.org> X-Sender: lojbab@digitalkingdom.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:56:40 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: armoraci In-Reply-To: <05ba01c1da39$8c204280$e5b7003e@oemcomputer> References: <0203310809540K.02368@neofelis> <052301c1d8c6$5dda5b00$e5b7003e@oemcomputer> <0203311043410L.02368@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: lojbab X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 01:22 PM 4/2/02 +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: >la pier. cusku di'e > > > Sounds good, except that lettuce is not in the cabbage family (it's in > > spatrkomposita/spatrxasterace, and is already there). Tanru are good for > > common names for a lot of species and varieties; if you want to be >specific, > > add {be la'o ly ... ly}. > >'kobli' is defined as >'x1 is a quantity of cabbage/lettuce/leafy vegetable of species/strain x2' >and so apparently isn't meant to be a taxonomic term, but to include leafy >vegetables of Chenopodiaceae, Asteraceae, Brassicaceae, etc. NONE of the gismu are intended to be strictly taxonomic (other than the one for "species"). Metaphorical extension and usage was always expected to be a part of defining the words, with the x2 used if someone really wanted to restrict things taxonomically (you use the Linnean name in la'o quotes in x2 to be PROPERLY taxonomic - that is why la'o is a part of the language) lojbab