From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 20 10:06:59 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvwxP-00082s-Fm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:06:59 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvwxL-00082Z-EF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:06:59 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so889818qwc.58 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:06:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/U2wpbh+D9W5UEnFQ7vpkXRnvlq6ovSEPexhNg68UnM=; b=uusHT4XE+gvqMhMJzI0wKb8ubH5oX4tFsU6fqO+5KItbrBbLIhLQbIKSHsMtdF3cvs HEliCyS2UQ29/7v4/QbP5jVjbQJbRPbs3NzoysP9RmPWuzRtNf3yBtGDGL23JnA8qjjR /IzEfpivhEnI/8CPXJe6EmRNUVxg2yYGXbUtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JBSTal47s0sZd3i99TggYc1FFZ89D1LjLovY5JrwDGcKTfRYMA7qb4h2t1ITYexX82 yIOKlJ+ak+KXFnNkmp48gr06AAeHx3Wu0FXkTDTxXNmf/EkvaRbtMe9LDsnkU8kE+CBB oKakNGU+aEXEqcz4Ux9GSveBwOovtIVQrgTEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.10.211 with SMTP id q19mr6496540qaq.384.1240247212848; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:06:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 59acc37865e9aa56 Message-ID: <12d58c160904201006j7d6b8107n5e9664947ec2e952@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cdbfc8e3e1d0467ff8e0a X-archive-position: 15476 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0015175cdbfc8e3e1d0467ff8e0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Danny Piccirillo < danny.piccirillo@gmail.com> wrote: > Still a n00b, so i'm just looking for some clarification on this. One of > the many many reasons lojban appeals to me, is that it is supposed to be > gender neutral, but one thing still bothers me. If there are terms for boy, > man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms for one who identifies as > masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderqueer, etc and those are the > terms i think should be preferred in common conversation when talking about > someone who has a gender identity (all humans). Is this do-able~ an idea the > can be spread to all lojbanists? The previous respondents are correct. I just wish to clarify that Lojban was not designed to be gender neutral. It was designed to be "culturally neutral", but there is some debate as to what exactly that means. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan. --0015175cdbfc8e3e1d0467ff8e0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Danny Piccirillo <danny.piccirillo@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Still a n00b, so i'm just looking for some clarification on this. One o= f the many many reasons lojban appeals to me, is that it is supposed to be = gender neutral, but one thing still bothers me. If there are terms for boy,= man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms for one who identifies as mas= culine or=C2=A0feminine, or=C2=A0androgynous, genderqueer, etc and those ar= e the terms i think should be preferred in common conversation when talking= about someone who has a gender identity (all humans). Is this do-able~ an = idea the can be spread to all lojbanists?=C2=A0

The previous respondents are correct. I just wish to = clarify that Lojban was not designed to be gender neutral. It was designed = to be "culturally neutral", but there is some debate as to what e= xactly that means.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan.

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