From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 20 13:13:57 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvzsL-0007sF-8y for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:57 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvzsH-0007ro-3i for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:57 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so740401yxh.46 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GxYgXORwg1Bj907Hp/AJt/F9AW8+08Yx5Gq4vEK951w=; b=OJK1nVzQRdXi/iKq+CqFUi6f63oJpS9R5jUOmGp4z3FSqYRWrkUloiBRtw1YG4LVvM 38zUYr5pyfOLtWWfMwCBOotwHa6NfEdM6G8v1jKr/6pKQIXNS0t0ttl8cidTcyISlLz1 l1ZVUNuYKHUs/rJvh1Py4W25NOvGesZj4tWBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=fawkVMHhkLLBZytRseLhc328PpHel8AcWt8anGeupTViBi7Nwmw8k0/MzuGSH2if/d P7u7sn/IXLwRVHsYSLXJ6lBH0PTwRVPfgqMuXYaq199yvxISr6nYz9ERs4RvPkVBcHuH ulTruHxlizx/mskJh/Ew5BmiUXNHzRlPoNg3o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.44.4 with SMTP id r4mr4080179anr.39.1240258431551; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:13:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> From: Danny Piccirillo Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e640817a3e0c8d0468022b9c X-archive-position: 15478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: danny.piccirillo@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e640817a3e0c8d0468022b9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, i mean words that instead of meaning that someone is a boy, it means that they are mentally a boy. Everyone is used to using words that describe what people are biologically, but we should be talking about gender identity unless we really do want to talk specifically about their biological sex. So, the terms that mean identify as male, female, genderqueer, etc, should always be preferred when talking about humans (or even bots/androids that are supposed to have a gender since they don't have a biological sex). On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:00, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > If there are terms for boy, man, girl, and woman, there are surely terms > for > > one who identifies as masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderqueer, > etc > > and those are the terms i think should be preferred in common > conversation > > when talking about someone who has a gender identity (all humans). > .skamyxatra > > If you mean words that are suitable for individuals regardless of their > gender > identities, yes, there are words for those. "Human" is "{remna}," and > "person" > (not necessarily human) is "{prenu}." "Child" is "{verba}," "offspring" is > "{panzi}," "parent" is "{rirni}," "sibling" is "{tunba}," "uncle/aunt" is > "{famti}," et cetera. > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > le munje vi smaji > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e640817a3e0c8d0468022b9c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, i mean words that instead of meaning that so= meone is a boy, it means that they are mentally a boy. Everyone is used to = using words that describe what people are biologically, but we should be ta= lking about gender identity unless we really do want to talk specifically a= bout their biological sex. So, the terms that mean identify as male, female= , genderqueer, etc, should always be preferred when talking about humans (o= r even bots/androids that are supposed to have a gender since they don'= t have a biological sex).=A0

On Mon, Apr= 20, 2009 at 10:00, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy.= cusku zoi
skamyxatra.
> If there are terms for boy, man, girl, and woman, th= ere are surely terms for
> one who identifies as masculine or feminine, or androgynous, genderque= er, etc
> and those are the terms i think should be preferred in common conversa= tion
> when talking about someone who has a gender identity (all humans).
.skamyxatra

If you mean words that are suitable for individuals regardless of their gen= der
identities, yes, there are words for those. =A0"Human" is "{= remna}," and "person"
(not necessarily human) is "{prenu}." =A0"Child" is &qu= ot;{verba}," "offspring" is
"{panzi}," "parent" is "{rirni}," "sibli= ng" is "{tunba}," "uncle/aunt" is
"{famti}," et cetera.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

--
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