From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 20 13:44:25 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw0Lp-0002AN-SO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:44:25 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw0Lk-0002A1-S3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:44:25 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3KKiIKK023537 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:44:19 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n3KKiIVZ017101 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:44:18 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:44:18 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Gender neutrality? Message-ID: <20090420204417.GA17858@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <20090420140025.GA7343@sdf.lonestar.org> <20090420201926.GF593@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 15485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 20 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Danny Piccirillo .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Yes, but in conversation people often like to say, "Did you see that girl?" > instead of "Did you see that person?". .skamyxatra How would they know how an arbitrary individual identifies themselves sexually? They would most likely be making an inference based solely on that individual's outward appearance & mannerisms, and no amount of carefully-crafted {lujvo} can save them from making an incorrect statement. > My request is that lujvo for gender identities should replace words meaning > biological sex in casual conversation since it will come up. Can that happen? As has been stated, the gender-based {gismu} make no assertions about the way in which an individual is associated with a given gender, and there should be no problem with using them for more varied purposes. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- noda makfa bu'u le vi munje To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.