From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 31 03:54:19 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 31 May 2009 03:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAigF-0000ot-Ba for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:54:19 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f175.google.com ([209.85.218.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAigC-0000oN-DV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:54:19 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so6176459bwz.34 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Prg0DnqJMXMPIN4MEeUSzRkKHuFfZx0uSXgp9w/hKS4=; b=iYKTOAQ5nYFxup/OlLPzpJEjc3zpsS78uVteNgY1TkeT0XdTDoXWgVHhtBmzPiEeO8 2wPXtRp/Gjj90wBxgjzov7PbnuAVOs2nxixyJ9nyVzCxBeLwSOYzViZmEA8QDWEWb+lH oUxfNjUPw4e1ehd2Lvn9comqXqkL7EAcU+eDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=v3pU3POKwkdHdrOSGW0Tc+WeQvS0kFQ+EDnjUaHdu1z9minjmh5MmR6rcqXIoInfy0 266chN5Ni/omSO3Zm/MxCAyyf4NKtivcN1idKNZuKGHtx+PWSAw1xtcgTsUeOX9n/2Zp 8zyvD7Tz88wIuolXfpA28eZD7rol6rF0TmsvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.103.194 with SMTP id l2mr2658198fao.55.1243767249536; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:54:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300905301157g37c96bfbq96b3142d1761f081@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300905301157g37c96bfbq96b3142d1761f081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:54:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: sel ter vel xel From: Adam Raizen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d7e8178688046b33219e X-archive-position: 15627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam.raizen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00504502d7e8178688046b33219e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 19:57, Luke Bergen wrote: > I know I've read something about a "great rafsi relocation" and that not > wanting to cause another one of these is the main reason behind not changing > "tel" for stela (lock) to something else is out of the question. But that > was a while ago. Is it still completely out of the question to change just > one little rafsi so we can have 100% consistency instead of 99.9% > consistency? > The entire rafsi/lujvo system itself suffers from systemic inconsistency. > I just picture teaching my kids lojban and them saying "but dad, you said > that there are no exceptions toe the rules in lojban, why is the rafsi of > 'te' 'ter' when all the others are just themselves plus 'l'?". > I can't imagine that your kids are going to be miffed about the rafsi for 'te' as opposed to the fact that the rafsi list itself increases the memory load of lojban by about 150% for no apparent benefit whatsoever. -- Adam Raizen Got sente? --00504502d7e8178688046b33219e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 19:57, = Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I know I've read something about a "great rafsi relocation" a= nd that not wanting to cause another one of these is the main reason behind= not changing "tel" for stela (lock) to something else is out of = the question.=C2=A0 But that was a while ago.=C2=A0 Is it still completely = out of the question to change just one little rafsi so we can have 100% con= sistency instead of 99.9% consistency?

The entire rafsi/lujvo system itself suffers from sys= temic inconsistency.
=C2=A0
I just picture teaching my kids lojban and them saying "but dad, you s= aid that there are no exceptions toe the rules in lojban, why is the rafsi = of 'te' 'ter' when all the others are just themselves plus = 'l'?".

I can't imagine that your kids are going to be mi= ffed about the rafsi for 'te' as opposed to the fact that the rafsi= list itself increases the memory load of lojban by about 150% for no appar= ent benefit whatsoever.

--
Adam Raizen <adam.raizen@gmail.com>
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