From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 03 10:40:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBuS6-0006Li-G6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:39 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com ([209.85.219.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBuS2-0006Jw-Kj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:38 -0700 Received: by ewy11 with SMTP id 11so243419ewy.39 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=afRc2riUACYwJyTIVULGAw0MYDY8S2IJNzoZ35YEPZQ=; b=vuDgwn9b6pcYE34asKcjjJMf3cCViXBMYy8dAAMozLiMiL7f3HPOvadg0W+++7Eie+ WeIrEb3CWRFW0jWLJ+MMme+hmmpzOa5COs+KadYAAmDj/VUnmLbZBcnWSaXdyzx4zjrr qtAPf8nkmqa4Tgnf31bvowPh3oov6U/G5IRg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ntY6L2kinguZn6EzpytLeDAaAKYvCzHpbYR0F7FX72nLtN2wN2pjVgHZ96umcgwkrh yRp+UbXi5uIFXB9Q/qTRUkVC+KDvehoQ+iwDdT4hSDTPqnGAk89v/0pfFArD5Skrkt1/ h2Rz1vA5KRYJibVBK10jK6vv/Za7qpfXWb/s8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.114.1 with SMTP id m1mr6804843ebc.4.1244050827935; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60906030908t278757d2q754b64acbc4ef709@mail.gmail.com> References: <96f789a60905250431y7a22bcf5qb549c8ed730e94c8@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20906021752s2a4833a9nc1a41ffe6544fb06@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906022150p7b2409afqe2ecfc5fc7bc9cce@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906030813j289d35a0ofde4c560e634d16a@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906030827j2c8a5423m66a7d86064e7aed9@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906030908t278757d2q754b64acbc4ef709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:40:27 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560906031040w3c4d0be4ja70382d9e66f56f8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: vlapir From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 15643 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > The third, traditional use.  So, > yeah, "malgerna" usually  used in that way (point 3) to mean a bad > example of grammar, Is it? Google finds only one use, namely in the "Lojban Anthem", and it doesn't seem to be used to mean "ungrammatical": ".i .e'o ko cu klina selcusku gi'e jicla le no'e farvi pe ri'a le nu seljimte loi malgerna" "Please be clearly expressed, stirring the stagnation caused by the limits of Grammar." (lojbab's translation) "Please be said clearly, and mix that which half-way ends up inside the boundaries of bad grammar." (tsali's translation) There are some hits (though not very many) for "na gendra", "na'e gendra" and "nalgendra", which is what I would have said was the usual way of saying "ungrammatical". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.