From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 09 11:03:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ME5f1-00005q-SA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:03:00 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ME5eu-0008Ub-0O for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:02:59 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so107539qwc.58 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:02:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CR/zr7ZzdDmP/dXZIrXNUaRchVezrsB6/yvvLWpBvF0=; b=kBZULRr2W5lyWwgpP8v6MtrA6yJzAsXhplg+5kcTKY7qWF1ccJqxJDmD0xL8O/tgQE hhzArBz34vGg8uDeTDgB7ernbf9GNWnSjrpo4yG8zODA6GFudED7Z7hXzjmdI6j1DKVE b+3lqFUQa8F40pHRzRGTgRZSB6E6ZnGsbDb18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jMgRRLyyb39HUosB6krdfzZD/S2+OsNou4GluYWD3hZLxpoPt3Yzz/UAaVx5baCpci 5er842ws1v8zMI7ew871mQG97KojsGGiPkpdvxMNdxV0FFjeDB0RUnGP7VQ2SO+RIiBN kKWMwa+cjRgZ/vp6v7n/mBAHeUn+UUTBtZFns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.34.66 with SMTP id k2mr140507ibd.17.1244570570368; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:02:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8a20e9f70906090810t759289btcf23dbcfff6c2264@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a20e9f70906090810t759289btcf23dbcfff6c2264@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20906091102m2fb94040j78df6a6b105fdf66@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: selma'o nomenclature From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 15654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > > x1 is a structure word of grammatical class x2, with meaning/function x3 in > language x4 > How exactly does one fill in the x2 spot? I've seen a number of examples, > such as {zo .ua cmavo lo selma'o be zo .ui} or {zo .ua cmavo zo'e pe zo .ui} > but is there an official answer? As far as I know I came up with the trick of saying "lo selma'o be zo .ui". It's not official, but it's surely accurate-- it just sidesteps the issue. I've often seen "zo .ua cmavo zo .ui" but I don't agree with it. Logically then "zo .ui du lo selma'o" and I don't think it is. Since the word ".ui" is being used as metonymy here for the category it belongs to, I would add a "la'e" in there: "zo .ua cmavo la'e zo .ui". ni'o mi gleki le nu jikca do vi pe'a doi .kribacr. .i mi pi so'a roi cusku fi do soi vo'a fo la .irc. po'o ni'o xu zoi .zoi. Jameson Orndorff .zoi. cmene do .i mi pu na djuno di'u .i zoi .zoi. Brett Douglas Williams .zoi. glibau cmene mi ni'o ma do gugde .i mi merko mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.